Melonie McCoy

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playing catch-up again ...

the ballast is a transformer and would kill the spikes... the electronic ballast of the CFL would probably not like those spikes caused by a dimmer at half shutting off the current....



Very true that conventional flourescent light ballast transformers and standard CFL built-in ballast transformers are NOT happy campers when powered by a 'chopped up' waveform from an electronic ( TRIAC / SCR ) light dimmer.  Fortunately, a couple of CFL suppliers now sell CFL's with built-in harmonic suppression that can be used with electronic light dimmers.  I have used six of these 'dimmable' CFL's in my bathroom for about 2 years now with no problems.  They are basically dimmable from 100% down to perhaps 25% ... at which point they cut out.  This compares to incandescents that are dimmable all the way down to 0%.  The harmonic supression also prevents the audible 'buzz' you would always hear from conventional ballast transformers fed by electronic dimmers.


On the subject of 'oddball' sized heating elements, I faced this one when trying to build a heated doghouse that I wanted to keep above freezing in the dead of winter ... but for pet safety and fire safety reasons I didn't want the heating element temperature to rise above 200 F or so at the surface.  I wound up buying a couple of 250 watt rated tubular power resistors out of Allied Electronics ( for about $5 ), and specified the ohm value so that they would run at about 125 watts each ( half rating ) at 120 volts ( ohms law 120^2 / 125 = 100 ohms nearest standard value).  Add a dirt cheap electric heat thermostat inside the doghouse and happy puppy !   



14 years ago
OK a wild theory.  Is there anything else going on inside your house that is creating a 'negative' air pressure situation ?

In theory, in a very 'tightly sealed' house devices like furnace combustion blowers, bathroom / kitchen vent fans etc. that draw inside air but ultimately exhaust that air outside can lower the barometric pressure inside the house versus corresponding barometric pressure outside the house.  This in turn can induce an 'outside to inside' draft through any 'open channel' ... including a chimney with a thermal gradient / height that is insufficient to overcome the barometric pressure difference.
14 years ago

a 1000sf home will have, before furnishings, about 8500cf volume. after counting for simple furniture, maybe 7000cf. So to raise an IDEAL home of this size by 10 degrees- from 60 to 70, one would need 1260btu's.

why does the stove produce 20k or more BTUS an hour? if thats the standard, the room just went from 60 to 220f+ in one hour!



This would be the actual case if your home was surrounded by a gigantic thermos bottle which stopped ALL external heat losses.  In the real world, homes lose heat to the outside world like a sieve.  Granted that installing higher R rated wall and ceiling insulation, higher R rated windows and doors etc. can reduce the 'mesh size' of that sieve from large to small.  But in the grand scheme of things, external heat losses for real world homes are still on the order of magnitude of a sieve !

In it's simplest form, the stove heat input versus external heat loss equation is a variant of the ever famous 'filling the bathtub while the stopper is removed from the drain' equation.  Unfortunately, there are lots of additional variables such as the day to day 'height of the tub' ( temperature differential from inside of home to outside ) changing.

In the final analysis, overall wood stove efficiency is a combination of efficient combustion ( i.e. being hot enough to create secondary combustion of still flammable gases emitted by primary combustion ), and efficient transfer of the resulting heat to the home ( as opposed to much of it going up the stack in the form of very high temperature exhaust gases ).

With most stove designs, the two tend to be mutually exclusive.  However, with the rocket stove design, it attempts to achieve the best of both worlds ... relying in huge thermal mass to prevent sustained high temperature combustion of the wood plus primary combustion gas byproducts from driving the surrounding temperature to uncomfortably high levels, plus relying on extensive stack heat transfer to reduce the temperature of the exhaust gases as much as is practical before they are released.

In terms of operational efficiency, every wood stove operates very inefficiently when it is first lit and coming up to temperature, as well as when it is 'throttled back' to the point where secondary combustion can no longer occur ( i.e. reduced stove temperature allowing incompletely combusted creosote vapors up the stack instead of burning them completely before they exit the stove. 

Some Canadian gov't research on various wood stoves tends to show that wood stove efficiency in the absence of secondary combustion tops out around the 55% mark ... which rises to 70% or so when secondary combustion is taking place.  "Trick' wood stoves such as the rocket heater, soapstone stoves, 'high tech' combustion control stoves etc. can allow the efficiency to rise to 80% ... with the caveat that these high efficiencies are only achievable once the stove's combustion chamber has reached optimal operating temperature. 

Thus actually being able to take advantage of 70% to 80% combustion efficiency means that the stove needs to be sized and selected such that the BTU output capacity versus the home's need for BTU's are fairly well matched ... so that once lit the stove can continue to operate at optimal combustion temperature for a sustained period of time.  This is less of a problem with a rocket stove than with commercial product stoves since everything is 'scalable' by the builder. 

Personally, I went another route ... mostly so that I could do some serious cooking as well as heating.



However, one mistake I made was failing to order the ( now available ) air to water heat exchanger option ... which if installed would allow me to capture even more combustion heat for a useful purpose ( hot water supplement ) before having to throttle back or shut off the stove. 
14 years ago

Expanding on that a bit, I would speculate that for a family of four, the cost of electricy for a clothes dryer for a year would be about $500.



Going back to basics, a typical electric clothes dryer consumes 230v * 25 amps = call it 6 kWh for every hour it runs.  If one dryer load is run a day for one hour the annual kWh is about 6 * 365 = 2190 and the annual cost at 10 cents/kWh is $219.  Based on relative cost per BTU, a propane dryer will be about $150 a year and a natural gas dryer will be about $120 a year for the same one hour a day usage ( but not everyone has access to utility natural gas, and those that do have to contend with minimum monthly charges regardless of how much gas they actually consume ).

However, even if the dryer is vented outside, not all of this heat energy is lost ... as some amount is transferred to the dryer body and thus raises the room temperature.  In the winter this can be a 'plus' ... but in the summer this can be a 'minus'.  And if some or all of the dryer exhaust is recycled into the house ( electric dryers only, gas dryers have some combustion byproducts mixed with the exhaust air ) even more of this heat energy can be 'reclaimed'.

Personally, I run a propane gas dryer 8 months of the year and use outdoor clothesline drying during the other 4 months ( whenever it isn't pouring rain, anyhow ).  I also run a propane stove, a propane tank-less water heater, and a thermostatically controlled propane wall mounted 'fireplace' with heat exchanger and blower in my bedroom ( which allows me to turn down the temp in the rest of the house to 55F or so overnight ).  This is a no-brainer given that residential electric rates in my area run close to 14 cents per kWh ! 

14 years ago

I was surprised when I called our power company - our electrical rate varied greatly month to month.  They said that it was based on what 'they' were charged.  If everyone did even small energy saving steps, we'd all pay cheaper rates.



Indeed this is true ... but 'residential' customers only get part of the real story.  Most commercial and industrial customers are billed a different price for electricity during on-peak periods ( 8am to 10pm on weekdays ) versus off-peak periods ( nights and weekends ).  The electricity cost for on-peak power is typically twice as high as for off peak power.  Residential customers are billed at some sort of 'system average' proportion between on-peak and off-peak usage.  So while it's true that if lots of residential customers shifted high energy activities like washing clothes to nights and weekends it might reduce the billed residential cost from 10 cents/kWh to 9 cents/kWh.  But in reality, running the washer during an on-peak period really costs 14 cents/kWh but only 7 cents/kWh during nights and weekends.  One of these days, utilities will start offering 'time of use' metering for residential customers ... which will open the door to lots of electric bill savings potential for smart residential customers  ( especially electric heat with the majority of usage during off-peak periods ).
14 years ago

I hate being cold.  Really hate being cold.  I got cold just reading your posts, Paul



I hear you, Marianne !  Guys just don't seem to absorb the fact that while there are times that girls don't mind freezing our butts off under certain circumstances, there are other times when we want to be WARM ... and we don't want to have to screw around with wearing 'long johns' or electric hunting socks or a heating pad under our butt, let alone carrying in 100 pounds of firewood to load the wood stove and then messing around for an hour to get a fire started and actually generating some serious heat !  Call me spoiled, but if I have to deal with the complexities of the modern world on a daily basis I also expect to occasionally indulge in some if the modern world's personal conveninces to make up for it !!!  I suspect one of the reasons guys seem to feel this way is that they're expecting that if us girls get cold enough we'll start thinking about asking them to share body heat.  NOT - keep those freezing cold hands away from me LOL !!!

Anything that heats and has a fan is so much better than the flat panel or radiator type of heaters, IMO.



Actually, I do the very same thing with a tiny 800 watt fan forced electric heater ... pointed directly at my cold body parts LOL !  In the long run this is far more efficient ( i.e. the room being at 60 degrees but my feet being at 80 degrees ) than using central heating to raise the room temperature to a more 'comfortable' level.   Ditto for my 250 watt mattress heater pad ... which works far better than an electric blanket when the room temperature of my bedroom is below 60 degrees.

14 years ago

A lot of what this thread is about is my personal response to the whole fluorescent light thing.  If I spend $50 on fluorescent light bulbs, I might save something like $5 in power per year.  The primary reason for this is because I have this apparently bizarre habit of turning lights off when I'm not using them.



1) cost. My baseboards are here. The other system is not.



I can't find any small heat pumps that are less than like $500 bux. Do small, window mount, cheap kind exist? Otherwise I can run my space heater until the end of time before it costs more in electricity...




For better or worse, this same sort of cost / benefit equation exists for every type of alternative energy hardware including solar and wind.   But also for better or worse, that cost / benefit equation is usually skewed by some form of gov't subsidy.   Many electric utilities do offer subsidies of 30% or more for the installation of heat pumps - which is worth checking out.

And yes applying some common sense 'human management' to the operation of energy comsuming devices is often the single largest producer of savings.  However, as you correctly point out, the vast majority of the population won't maintain this personal diligence.

this is just my opinion and the facts as I see them and as they fall out in my area with my gas and hydro prices and as they deal with my familys health



agreed that the relative energy costs of electric versus gas / oil in a particular location is a major factor.  Also I agree with you re the high temperature dust reaction byproducts of forced air heating system - or more precisely air to air heat exchangers - which of course also  includes wood and finned / direct heating coil electric heat as well as oil / gas. 




14 years ago
I'm going to jump in late in this discussion and make a couple of comments ...

There is a very REAL difference in the amount of electricity consumed to produce direct electric heat via baseboard heaters / incandescent bulbs etc. versus the amount of electricity consumed to operate a heat pump which 'moves' existing heat from outside to inside.   For example, producing 3400 BTU/hr worth of electric baseboard heat requires 1 kW-hour of electricity, where the newest wall mount heat pump units can 'move' 3400 BTU/hr worth of 'outdoor' heat into a room while requiring only 0.4 kW-hour of electricity (or even less), with an outside temperature of 50F.  The efficiency drops as the outside temperature drops further, but even so the newest wall mount heat pump units still have an 'over unity' BTU/hr versus kW-hour efficiency at an outside temperature of 20F.  Example of newest design unit at http://www.sanyohvac.com/products.php?id=09KHS71 

Lately, these split systems are available with a single outside compressor that can work in conjunction with multiple wall units inside the house.  This opens up the possibility of independently controlling the temperature setting versus time of day for a living room wall unit versus a bedroom wall unit versus a kitchen wall unit to achieve even greater energy savings.  See http://www.sanyohvac.com/products.php?id=CMH1972 .

Below 32F however, you're better off switching to a different heat source ( i.e. a  high efficiency gas / oil furnace ).  The exact 'break even' outside temperature depends on the overall efficiency of your gas / oil furnace and the relative cost per BTU of your gas / oil supply.  And with a 'freezing' outside temperature your gas / oil furnace is able to operate with greater total cycle efficiency since it can run longer between on-off cycles ( i.e. greater thermal efficiency when the furnace heat exchanger is at its intended operating temperature ~ 170f or so ).

On the subject of thermal mass, while this may smooth out or slow down temperature changes it has no direct effect on the total amount of heat losses thus the total BTU requirement to maintain a certain temperature.  Granted that there may be indirect effects like allowing for a longer run between on-off cycles of your heating system.

On the subject of reducing heat losses, improvements in this is the area usually produce the greatest 'bang for the buck' savings by reducing the overall BTU requirement in direct proportion to any reduction in heat losses.  Windows are obviously a huge component of heat losses in a typical house ... with anything from transparent plastic sheeting to storm windows to triple glazed gas filled windows progressively reducing heat losses while having minimal effect on solar heat gains.  Yes opaque window coverings usually have greater insulating properties - but at the 'cost' of giving up some solar heat gains - so the particular weather conditions of particular areas need to be taken into consideration.  Of course, if you have the discipline / opportunity to open opaque insulated drapes on cold but sunny days and close them again when the sun goes down you can have the 'best of both worlds'.



       
14 years ago
As MeKennedy already pointed out, one very easy option might be to simply purchase a fairly high wattage rated UPS unit intended for 230vac european home computers.  If the UPS unit is rated much higher than the 150 watt pump motor, it should work out fine to simply run the pump motor plugged into the UPS unit all the time. 

I do exactly the same thing to keep the air circulation fan running on my wood stove when the power fails.  I have a 100w 120vac fan motor running on a 400w rated UPS unit ... which coincidentally runs about 4 hours on the unit's 'internal battery' power when utility power fails !  I think the complete UPS unit cost me like US $40 at Staples.
15 years ago
based on info at http://www.theotherpowercompany.ca/Hydro.html , a truly practical micro-hydro setup needs at least 10 feet of 'head' / change in elevation to work with.

However, where Artesian wells are concerned, you can actually achieve more 'head' than a  simple change in elevation contributes ... because water emerges from an Artesian well already 'pressurized'.  It sounds like you need to explore the drilling of a well in hopes of hitting an Artesian vein.  If you can come up with 5 psi of Artesian well pressure this is equal to a 10ft change in elevation !
15 years ago