Russ Rob

From original 2008 documents, the S1r electromagnet field in tub, forces the ignition cable to slow and pulse forward, greatly increasing the CURRENT through water vapor. Another wire coil is added to Briggs Magnetron ignition for way higher voltage that ionizes the vapor ions at same polarity to repulse, and form useful pressure, running engine on water in carburetor ! Minimum 24kv. So now we know! New revelation never heard of before! Shop final report was never released.  S1R9A9M9 You tube videos and the now shut down web site. The shop all previous engine conversions in Georgia were of Hydrogen gas as from spark plug electrolysis. The Briggs mower engine conversion of 2008 is now known as of from different method.

The 2nd S1R9A9M9 Transformer/Electromagnet (Not Shown) 2008

That S1R9A9M9 coil assembly was the first made and tested with inverter box. Not compatible as having interference. The second one built, as source of extra current was used in deli tub, but found to form required magnetic field also. The first was discarded . Successful engine running s  of engine on water vapor pressure were shown. Actual new hand wound transformer/ electromagnet not shown. Step up transformer made from modified quality Kawasaki ATV  KLF185 ignition coil. Wire  removed to get 2 piece core set. Set fits with other parts in plastic deli tub.  Mower engine too low high volts. Tesla Patented circuit Inductor added to magneto to raise up voltage 24-30ktz. The videos about just 1st coils probably wrong, as about 2% efficient.  Take apart video was wrong coil probably on purpose.  Timing from Ignition tab terminal used for proper ignition and extension to late timing. Variable resistor vary s magnetic field, over cable, and vary s timing.  Can superimpose small current from wound secondary coils as actual main line ignition. Full loop circuit from extra ground wire through series diodes bank, back to wires joint .  Dual alternators output run only with engine at idle speed. Battery temporary only for starter + and removed. Wire on starter terminal transfers 12v temporally to conversion circuit. Relay high ohms coil operates about 15 cycles, from tab terminal to open + close extra contacts to get square waves on/off DC from battery. as power source, then alternators  half wave DC one diode. Talking about repulsion of over charged high voltage ions water vapor pushing down piston.

I made up another time line sheet regarding the S1R coils, but you are not that interested. Just suffice that it also allows for the ORIGINAL connected S1r coils and new coils same time in deli tub. The first was removed as not needed any more SAME TIME, as transformer has the required magnetic field also. There is also now the reason for the cut off stub frayed wires on the S1r coils. That point is the 12v source power for the 2nd transformer input. Then, it was cut with dull knife, not proper tool, so as copper stranded wires are shown. The web forum showed only the 1st coils assembly. The laminations core type with also full circle loop magnetics is superior as about 70-85% efficiency. Ai said the other was 2% efficient.

You know the old saying, - go back to the source, the horse's mouth. I had revelation today regarding this 2008 conversion. The Nathren 2 page write up as poorly written, can be taken in small sections for "decoding". The untrained man describes things as he sees it, not in proper technical words. I'm pretty sure I got it now.

The earlier car engine conversions with water in carburetors, were all done the same way. Lower quality Inverter box power, and "special" relays containing inductors and diode in SEALED chamber. The distributors were readjusted for late timing , about -34 degrees,use with Hydrogen gas, along with water vapor. They all used 2 car batteries and the alternator charged up both with engine running. I would consider that self running.

It always occurred to me that the mower engine was done same way. Inverter was concealed under cement block and s1r coils assembly in the plastic tub. The 2 alternators on board with output about 15 amps was to run the whole thing as self running. You said to use Grok AI for questions. I found out the Briggs alternator specs is rated 15A at very high rpm at idle speed for current output. It's really only about total 8 amps at 14v, at lowered idle rpm. This value is only good for just running the electromagnet / Megatran. (not Inverter too). Therefore, not self-sustaining when using Inverter, as also large battery would be needed buried under cement block, along with Inverter box of decent power.

Three references were found regarding greatly increased high voltage output of Briggs Magnetron, way higher than car engines coils. That's the Tesla Patent circuit added as Inductor to Briggs engine. The web forum had mentioned an inductor taken from relay to use on a project. The web forum talked about Georgia technicians doing bench tests on high volts and just water vapor.  

So here goes, - I wondered about where the coil turns came from out of the blue. These are Fibonacci numbers sequence. Ratio 1 : 1.618. So my new coil will use 5,8,13, 55/or 144turns. The Triple coils is now a QUAD Step up voltage transformer and electromagnet same time. The core is full circle flux. There is extra wire from ground through protection diodes to point of Hi V entrance. This now forms a secondary useful winding. The step up volts ratio also allows small superimposed current onto the ignition line. "Must overcharge the ions of water vapor in same polarity to put in repulsion PRESSURE for piston." The voltage level secondary has to be higher than the bank voltage loss of diodes to keep them ON. Nathren called it a transformer coil. (but not a step down volts transformer) There  are other small parts in the plastic deli tub hanging on side of engine. This engine is now, probably self sustaining, not having to power large inverter box.

The 150 volts comes from the step up turns ratio on same electromagnet, as extra winding. This means the original shown photo on graph paper was not one used on 2 successful videos of 2008 .


The Briggs alternators provide 8 amps PULSING DC with 2 lines together through 1 diode, low frequency around 50 cycles. In his report, Nathren called this "coming in at a waveform " to the Triple coils. He said no associated Inverter used, as the 60 cycles causes interference with the alternator output and Electromagnet bogs down, won't run.

We know the car conversion needed over 100 volts to overcome the high resistance of the tiny electrodes in water solution. This new CHANGED design by Georgia shop technicians is only looking for high volts, not current to make hydrogen gas. Completely different methodology for mower engine than the CARS. Piezo spray of fine water vapor particles is probably warranted for the carb.
There were back in 2008 -2011, a huge number of people wanting to know how this engine ran on water. I was one of them, hanging on details and doing research. Of course, an adjustable curved aluminum 1/8" plate with inside cut out curve, and drilled holes, could be machined for moving timing of mounted Briggs Magnetron. Then, the Inverter box can be implemented. The series Inductors provided the required magnetism for plug tips. (learn something every day)

Bench test for just S1r coils is digital display module adjustable for freq + duty cycle, to Mosfet on heat sink, to metal power resistor load through the coils. Meter watched to set amps on the gauge, while pushing set buttons. Magnetic field of  max 8 amps worth, can be reduced in current by doubling, tripling the wire turns, and still get the same magnetic field. This can free up amps  for another use, such as small inverter, like the car cigarette light plug in inverter 110v AC. . Pulsing DC is similar to the same output from lawn mower alternators. Pulsing will run a transformer, not straight DC. .

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Video 1 only SPECULATION.  ;  tank disconnected from carb. Carb has gasoline. Engine removed from lawn mower. Chassis white plug connector end open. For carb to work , the solenoid valve at bottom of carb requires 12v on gray wire. Looks like Shut down black tab wire probably disconnected from Magnetron and hooked to small 12v hidden battery in hole of cement block.  The black and other gray wires on left side engine hook to separate holes of white connector. Jumper wire put on white plug. Carb solenoid now on, opens hole for gas to go through to engine. Person knows engine will run, but NOW, has no method  to shut down later. Loose extra wire is placed on spark plug top so as flopping end in air. That end is to touch casting to shut down engine. In the Smack video, there is no black wire near the Magnetron ignition coil where it should be. . There should be no reason to disconnect the original shut down method and change method, as ignition switch is not there. . At idle speed, the alternator to dc, has 12v available. The large main battery was disconnected at idle speed, during the successful test of engine running on "water".

Video 2 Speculation only:  No carb float bowl. Fuel has to enter top of carb. Plastic bottle needs, solution of gasoline, or 70% alcohol, or screen is placed on carb top with Carbide stones. Just water drops added will form acetylene gas vapors and instantly start engine. ( I already tried these) This does not prove engine not running on Hydrogen gas from spark plug electrolysis, and water vapor pressure, at lower power level.

You Tube Videos 1 + 2  S1R9A9M9 Georgia, 2008.

Water powered 1 cyl riding mower engine has alternators, and electric start starter. You tube 2008 2 videos by S1R9A9M9 . About 7 peak amps current (not average amps,) at about 15 % duty cycle , and requiring about 110v DC to zero ohms resistance spark plug . Water flow slowly into carb, with choke. MUST BE APPLIED THROUGH CARB VACUUM TO WORK. Georgia technicians converted several car engines back in 2005-2008. Spark plug electrolysis, without separate cell. There is also some water vapor creating pressure to push piston , of polarized charge ions separating from each other during piston movement, along with small amount Hydrogen gas. . Timing must be changed ATDC to about -34 degrees. Must be magnetic field applied to plug cable, and electromagnet with current .Web site shut down. I copied tech data so as could review later. Nathren got himself in trouble with other's accidents of reproducing, and won't talk any more. He either used Inverter box with series inductors + diodes, or just hand wound electromagnet with separate hand wound step up pulse transformer for the 110v. Alternators together with one diode for pulsing on+ off DC as about 8 amps dc at idle speed after starting. To start, without alternator on, vibrating relay used to get vibrating contacts for the 12v battery. After the Briggs 18hp engine running, him and son disconnected the car battery, so as self running on the 12 magnets alternators. Flywheel goes around 360 degrees. On time POWER only about 15-34% of the time. Electromagnet called the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly. See photos on internet. The shop technicians did not publish report, since the car engines were slightly rough running, and the special commercial relays were no longer available to purchase. I had figured out , they were using the wrong inverter type box. There are 3 types of inverters to change to DC. Square wave, modified square wave, and pure sine wave. The modified one does not deal properly with INDUCTORS , as inside their relay. They should have used the more expensive pure sine wave box inverter. Alliexpress china is cheaper than Ebay/ Amazon.

Superimposed Voltage / Current passes Through!

Pulsing DC 40 volts, 15 amps, about 60 cycles, passing through 13Turn coil over steel core, going to separate load resistor, that has one line wire UNDERNEATH coil also, that is from different circuit of higher voltage, milliamps pulsing, at lower 15 cycles. This 2nd wire acts as a full loop circuit flux secondary side of STEP DOWN transformer of 13 to 1 ratio. Am I to assume this "automatic" secondary #12 gauge single line side has somewhat of an increased current passing through it also , to it's separate low ohms load resistance? (S1R9A9M9 Electromagnet as also being transformer means same time by induction )

S1R data notes to think about , adjustment to Megatran. Final purpose as to see Briggs engine converted with mineral water in carb.
Recently going over Nathren's actual statements , as to figure what he was referring to, as really valid. Most likely found it. Never thought of it before.
First,- car conversions used Inverter box and "special Relays" + some Hydrogen gas , requiring 110v DC.

Second, -Mower engine conversion used Configuration of triple wires assembly with other small parts. Reference was for generation of piston pressure from increased ignition volts along with increase of ignition current, and repulsion of polarized water vapor ions, moving engine piston. Was said no Inverter nor special relay.

Mention of Tesla US Patent circuit to Magnetron primary increase back EMF volts to secondary side. Large inductor + capacitor added to circuit. This then validates the Dave+5 bench test done earlier for huge ignition high volts.

2008 Briggs engine video 1 had no fuel from carb float bowl since lower 12v solenoid valve shuts off orifice. The end wire connector not hooked up. Video 2 had no float bowl .

Original 4000ohms spark plug WAS changed to QC12YC as 125 ohm, that can be changed to zero ohms.

Several documents papers told of water vapor with repulsion ions. This is similar to Browns gas, - also called electrified water.

Statement that inverter was not used, and the shorted, broken green box inverter was left in videos as a distraction.

The strange missing ground connection had been found , as the plug was shorted on brown extension cord, so as a very long wire connects plastic deli tub to spark plug ground casting.

Nathren said the S1r coils was easier to put together with three wires instead of 2. This is where I lost the train of thought. He said the coils does work!. Some engines are wired differently. That's why 3 wires. If engine hook up one way doesn't work, just switch the wires around. (I forgot about that) THAT MEANS POLARITY REFERENCE. This is why it's important. The engine will start and run. There was no exact wording on everything. Today's notes may be greatly enlightening. Engines fire from positive ground or positive to negative ground. Nathren said circuit will work ok for both types. That's what the wires JOINT was for. Take apart and switch around. He was trying to get additive SUPERIMPOSED polarity to SECONDARY side instead of subtraction of opposite polarities. (I had always thought about opposite polarities).

Nathren said the S1R coils was a different kind of step up transformer for current.  He meant a magnetic field electromagnet and step down transformer same time for extra current added to the high voltage.  Step up current about 1:13 or less , due to inefficiencies. This is where he got the notion of 100 times increase in current from small milliamps ignition.

These parts in tub along with the other 2 general relays for the STARTING MODE only, probably underneath plastic engine cowl.  12v DC relay coil receives 12v from starter terminal , when positive battery cable manually touches starter terminal. Relay clicks on , then allowing 2nd 110v AC relay to click on for contacts connected to Magnetron side Tab terminal . Useful negative 130 volts pulsing available. I have tested this a few times with small loads and leds. The high OHMS of coil does not interfere with the shut down terminal shutting off engine. Since this terminal on Magnetron was being used, a separate wire was added in both videos, flopping in the air, to spark plug top as engine shut down means when touching casting ground. The on + off contacts runs the electromagnet/ transformer.  DC square waves of about 15-34% duty cycle on time of flywheel.

Now there is a separate wire from ground at spark plug going up to series 1kv diodes 6 A as FR607 or black block 15kv diode. .75 amp and has surge high current capability at low duty cycle. The diode with proper cathode facing means, clips onto the ignition cable with small alligator clip at point of upper end near the 13 turns coil. This provides a full loop circuit secondary side for a transformer, through spark plug,  using the one line under the steel core. The CHANGING magnetic field of core and primary side allows a secondary current to be induced in the high volts line, if polarities are in alignment. The diode effectively blocks the ignition from bypassing the spark plug. This seems to match the wording of Nathren, to get engine to run on water.
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S1R9A9M9 Reference Time Data Given For Enlightenment

​Important TIME LINE data here today, for the You tube videos of the Briggs engine that ran on water in Georgia.

June 24, 2008 summer. Successful 2 video demonstrations of 18HP Briggs mower engine running on water in carb. Son removes engine from shop and puts it in back yard with father on cement block with large holes for main shaft and other hidden items.. The shop technicians had reconfigured the water fuel system , not Nathren father who is not tech minded. ( from original web forum data sheets)

August 2008,  two months later. The back porch scene Georgia, Nathren father, failed attempt to run same engine on water in carb, with JUST S1R9A9M9 coils assembly and resistance lightbulb load on battery. Helper holds camera . PROBABLY NOT the son , also Nathren, since he was a technician who worked on designs in work shop with the 2 other technicians. Son would have known about all parts used on Briggs engine to run it properly.

"The Smack" two videos were on the later December 2010 at Nathren's property. He got donations for charges incurred for the 1000mile trip. Just another young mechanic guy who thinks he knows everything. Several common tests were not done with the Briggs engine at that time. Engine again, not running on water. Son not present.

February 7, 2011.  Nathren senior attempts to disassemble engine and discovers rust from engine setting too long , from 2008. Piston cylinder scored and valve(s) stuck.  This proves engine would not run from Aug 2008 + Dec2010.

Conclusion : Briggs engine not proven could not run on Hydrogen gas derived from spark plug electrolysis and water vapor pressure from repulsion of ions. Original extra parts such as Inverter + special Relay, alternators hook up, were NOT put back on engine for proper RETESTING, and would not have worked any way due to NO available engine COMPRESSION.

                             Source Derivation of Original S1R9A9M9 Triple Coils Assembly

I made up paper folders for the different sections of S1R project. Today informing you about the 3 main components of the mower engine conversion of 2008, and reasons why.  I'm going with the flow.  The technicians in Georgia work shop did all the tinkering. Nathren senior is a non technical person. Long ago, I was the one who told you about the Briggs on board Dual alternators, running on 12 permanent magnets. Nathren said there weren't any. I found photo of the alternators wire harness behind starter showing as being present. With car battery removed , after starter use, there has to be source of electrical power. Now it is reasonably assumed the new mower engine is converted same way as the cars, with Inverter + Relay. The dimensions of relay allow fit inside plastic tub sideways, with S1r coil.

The technicians had earlier did a test in engine compartment about a hand wound electromagnet. That was called the 60 turns coil test. I sent you paper on that. 20 amps battery DC current flows through wire coil 60 turns OVER PLUG WIRE with steel core with amp gauge and resistor load. When ignition fires, the gauge momentary drops to 12 amps. 60% balance volts in electromagnet due to the ignition line inducing reactance ohms into the low volts line. By viewing on their oscilloscope, the TIME extension of spark was realized.
Now, in general, the magnetic field is in direct proportion to amps current within the same LENGTH coil. So the maximum amps from alternators as 15AMPS DC full wave rectified is divided up for 4.4A SEPARATE electromagnet to load resistor to ground,  and 10.6 amps Inverter box primary side. Core steel nail or long screw was 3/16" at 3-4" long. 10.6+4.4 = 15 amps. So then reducing down the 20A to 4.4A is the SAME ratio 4.5 of winds. So 60 turns  / 4.5  = "13" turns  #16 gauge insulated wire S1R9A9M9 electromagnet. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
The #12-#14 bare copper wire was used as a FRAME SUPPORT for 90 degree 7 winds. The idea was to cause disruption interference with the ignition coil Magnetron to form longer on time for use with hydrogen fuel.  90 degrees and the lower magnetic field. CORE STEEL ONLY UNDER !3 TURNS as the electromagnet.
I did bench tests with neon bulbs graduated meter showing transfer of 90-200 volts induction to battery side coils. Some guys in forum grabbed the ends of low volts wires and got shocked. I also determined that bare wire cannot be used as shorting, "tick tick" noise and flash  . This will cause uneven engine running. Insulated 16 gauge wire also shorted occasionally. I finally used 10KV white china high voltage cable to stop the shorts.
The conversion process needs an edge for efficiency. The car conversions worked, so to put it on video, the Briggs engine should work the same way. Nathren senior, shorted out the Green inverter box and left it in the videos. He said Inverter not used. Another smaller wattage unit was used for videos and probably hidden in cement block hole or underneath in ground hole. 100 volts is required for the tiny spark plug electrodes.
The Magic Relays, per cylinder,  most likely were  giving off Radiant Energy on each of the engines. High volts hits diode cathode . Diode shuts off. Plug fires, then diode on, releasing Radiant Energy. Data was from the alternate energy forum on Internet. The Relays perfect sealed chamber full vacuum allowed no dispersion of energy waves into air. The extra new energy follows circuit to spark plugs.
The triple coils is hooked up, through,  from one end to the other end. In that regard the other  Megatran drawing is CORRECT. The old Georgia forum stated that it was just easier to wind 3 separate wire coils, with joint. Based on my drawing scenarios, the numbers 5 and 1 line, 7, and 13 turns are correct. The field was to slightly only adjust for late timing past TDC to get about 7 PEAK amps. Longer on time in milliseconds, past about 15% duty cycle,  would lower the Peak pulse amps. The Georgia tech people said about 7 amps current was best for spark plug at about .080" gap , and the eventual slower eroding of electrodes. See the  2 2008, S1R9A9M9 You tube videos Briggs engine ran on water to hydrogen gas.