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Summary

part 2 of a 2 part podcast

Paul finishes up "bits and bobs with Alexandra"

Paul talks about non-profits: most would disappear if people didn't get paid.  There are exceptions which work with volunteers, but most don't and thus their fundraising is to pay people.  Permies is run entirely by volunteers, and Paul pays the bills.  People are fond of suggesting setting up a non profit to fund Permies, but they are never willing to actually do anything about it.

The next topic raised is communities.

Alexandra has a friend who runs a community on their property, which is very open and she's interested to see if and how it works.  Because Paul's operation has well known standards, she knew that it would be safe to bring the kids there, which you don't necessarily find everywhere.

Alexandra mentions that when she first visited she asked Magdalen what it was like, and was told that it's just people.  They're not super human but conflicts are handled respectfully.  They talk about what it's like running the online community.  Alexandra hopes it's possible to be on staff and yet retain an optimistic and generous approach to people.  

Paul says we need a better recipe for communities, he's seen many go to shit.  He's attempting to do that at Wheaton labs and needs more people to see if it works. Alexandra wonders if Paul maybe comes over a little tyrannical and this puts off some of the good people while also putting off the kind he doesn't want.  She feels that Paul sells himself a bit short but Paul says this is part of protecting the community and himself, as he's been burned in the past.  He accepts that his approach might put people off but hopes that his message appeals to the type of people they want.

As a final note: it's January and yet so far the temperature hasn't been below 19°F which is unusual.

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