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Celia Revel
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The Amazing Liver and Gallblader Flush



I posted two links here. It's the same video. I just did one liver flush, and it is no understatement that it is amazing. I passed hundreds of gallstones on the first flush, one was one inch in diameter, some were black. My diaphram was able to descend, and I got easier breathing the first day. My tummy also shrank a bit. Flushing the liver addresses the root causes of cancer, diabetes, high cholesterol acne. So many things start with the liver.

 
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I've done the flushthhingie a few times, while studieing as a naturopath.

This flush may be beneficial to get rid of a heaviness and feeling of toxicity in the colon, but don't be fooled by how many "stones" you passed, that part of the theory behind it is just bullc**p. Actually, if you had gallstones one inch in diameter, trying the flush would send you into the ER. Most of the "stones" that are claimed are made of the fresh oil consumed the evening of the actual flush, solidified by your own gall-fluid. The "moving of the stones" often described is the emptieing of the gallbladder, which can feel like slight cramps. The whole cult around the flush is the result of the work of Hulda Clark, who, while having some points to her merit, might be considered, on the whole, a quack.

It's mainly the benefit of the juicefast on the days surrounding the flush and the extreme laxative solution made from epsom salts that is doing the trick. So it falls into the same category as colonic irigation, fasting, colonics with stuff like coffee. If it works for you, fine, but don't recommend it as a miracle cure.
 
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Hello Kat,

I did read about the criticism that the "stones" are just soap made from the oil and the bile. As a soap maker by trade, I can tell you that it takes an alkalai so strong that it would rip your gut apart to achieve successful sapponification. I don't think bile has that high a ph, and the heat in this endothermic reaction would not be tolerated by humans very well, so the soap theory sounds more made up than real. In addition, I passed black stones. Where did the coloring come from? I've made olive oil soap, and it forms a creamy white when finished. The other reason I doubt the olive oil is making these is that when people finally empty their gall bladders and livers, no more stones pass. If the stones were the result of the olive oil, continuing to take it would still produce these stones some people talk about. I don't know there was a cult around it. I certainly don't feel part of a cult.
 
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Hi Celia,

I don't think it's a soap formed, but saponification is not the only chemical reaction that allows oils to solidify. Bile is a mixture of lye, salts, cholesterol, (green and other) pigments, enzymes etcetcetc. The oliveoil is premixed with juice so it forms an acidic emulsion even before hitting the digestive track. So while I agree that "the stones are just soap" is probably a non-argument, neither can the fact that that single argument is invalid be used as a argument to state that the stones are real (sorry for the twist in logic).

I think the truth is somewhere down the middle, as always: real gallstones (as in medical literature) are solid, calcified, mainly composed of the bilesalts. They sink in the toilet, do not dissolve in water nor float. Small, fresh formed gallstones are brittle, dry, but not the fatty green blobs you passed the most of. Yet, I've found such green globules in the canals of a calfsliver I prepared for my cats once, so I do think they can originate from the liver, if not from the gallbladder. I still feel like the bulk of the passed "stones" is gelled up olive oil (that has been premixed with the grapefruitjuice), mixed with stomach acid, bile and passed though the digestive system to form green globules. Otherwise, you should have fatty stool afterwards, with the oil just floating on top. Since that doesn't happen, and you dont gain weight over night which would indicate that the fat is digested, the olive oil is somewhere in those "stones".

As in regards to the black stones: Dark brown to black are pigments that are in (often older) bile, so it can be the same as the green stones, a signal that the bileduct emptied itself completely. It might be a few real gallstones, especially if the black ones are relatively small ones. Black is also a colour that can come from the liver, or it might indicate anything from a stomach ulcer to a bleeding in the smaller intestine. Bleeding in the large intestine would show as red. It could also be stuck old food (especially if you eat meat) that came lose from the intestinal lining due to the flush.

As to the: "when people empty the bladder and livers, no more stones pass" I've done it a few times in succession myself and know a load of fellowstudents who did it themselves. Some really healthy rawveganfellows. Yet they all continue to create stones, one time more than the other. I have yet to hear of one person who stops producing the green fatty floaty stones. It's part of the myth that everyone repeats, but no-one checks. That's part of the danger, people just follow the advise of others without educating themselves on the subject. If I altered the recipe and added a tad of ratpoison "to kill intestinal parasites" and posted it online, I wonder how many people would just be selfdosing themselves with poison.
 
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So essentially what your saying is that people who follow this process continued to constantly producing these stones? Makes sense for this to not actually release stones because if you were actually emptying the gall bladder then there would be an eventual decline in passed stones. If there is no decline then it would be easy to summarize that this process is merely a novel chemistry experiment which produces stone-like green balls in your gut. In other words, it is a neat digestive trick and nothing further?

I just recently found out that he died a few months ago.

 
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To recap (and remember, just my 2cents, not neccessarily "the truth"):

- I do think that for a lot of people, a periodic juicefast is a healthy habit, mimicking the natural fluctuations in available food that the body needs (ideally, synchoniced with the seasons, in spring, dense food is scarce, and a lot of young, bitter greens are livercleansers by nature, allowing the body to rid of the buildup of toxins produced by eating highfat, highprotein and high-starch in winter.
- I do think that, for generally healthy people suffering only minor issues, a shock to the system is good every once in a while, and forcing liver and gall bladder to completely empty themselves every once in a while by overdosing on fat, can help rejuvinate those organs.

Yet:
- I despise the way it is presented as a cure-all, cancerremedy, etcetcetc because it's bogus. It does help, also with malignant disease, to cleanse, but it does not cure on it's own...
- I believe that those with genuine healthconcerns should either consult a naturopath that is well-versed in the application of these and other therapies (or go to a "normal" doc, to their discretion) or educate themselves thouroughly (not by internetbrowsing) to help themselves and those around them by following high quality courses or taking on an apprenticeship, but not dabble on because the internet says so
- I think that the whole backgroundstory of how many stones etc is idiocy and distracts from the essence: learning to be aware what it has done to your body: feeling inside, not counting outside the body. And yes: I do consider it a trick to "proof" something that isn't relevant.

So, if Celia feels it has done her some good, well, go on then. But others might get very sick by doing so, or disrupt their internal system to do more harm then good.

 
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Hi Kat,

I read all your reasoning and feelings on the subject, but even still, you are basically just guessing. Are you sure bile is made up of lye? That stuff is so caustic, it can eat the flesh off your body
 
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Celia Revel wrote:Hi Kat,

I read all your reasoning and feelings on the subject, but even still, you are basically just guessing. Are you sure bile is made up of lye? That stuff is so caustic, it can eat the flesh off your body


English is not my main language, I used the word to indicate a pH higher than 7 (so as an opposite to "acidic"). In Dutch we call it "basic" but I don't know if that translates the right way. By no way I meant soapmaking caustic soda / NaOH if that is what you are assuming. There are many lyes, not all pH14. I presumed it to be contextual clear.

Still: I feel that when I post a response that mainly prompts people to think for themself and be critical of youtubemovies giving medical advise without any caveats - like it was posted here - it's rather uncalled for to dismiss all arguments with the (unfounded) accusation of "just guessing". Rather I feel it's the responsibility of the OP to not only cut-paste some information, but also to delve into the depts of contra-indications, risks and research on the subject before dispensing advise. I only did what I feel was nesseccary to balance the information given. That said, unless there are on-topic points do discuss further, let's agree to disagree. My time is to scarce to spent on offtopic bickering.
 
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Hi Kat,

Thanks for being more specific about PH. Most people have little knowledge about the values and what those values can mean in situations they don't normally observe, even with context. I think you took this the wrong way. I'm not dispensing advice, only a link for anyone to do more research on their own like I did by getting the book and trying it out and seeing what they think about it. A lot of people do that on this forum, lol, even I just took the You Tube version of the Hugelkulture on faith. I dug one this winter; now we will see what it actually can do in the next few years.
 
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