# sacred geometry and zones

Joel Cederberg

Posts: 58

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posted 3 years ago

So, im not saying that this is a cure all, but theoretically, would not the Fibonacci spiral be a great zone setup in most cases?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Fibonacci_Spiral_GeoGebra.svg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fibonacci_Spiral_GeoGebra.svg&h=1398&w=2219&sz=12&tbnid=ivAggFdgY2mfeM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=122&zoom=1&usg=__SVnvkbGs-l_uY63rti9UPaPJLMk=&docid=JpGBmPVfzR6eSM&sa=X&ei=lVUYUrHmM8fL2gX2sYHACg&ved=0CEcQ9QEwAw&dur=469

if the smallest square is zone one, then zones 2-6 are all touching on zone one.

just thought this was a cool thought. maybe one could overlay a property map with a fibonacci spiral and then tailor the zones according to any anomalies in the landscape.

anyway, just a cool thought, i thought.

oh, and im also contemplating moving to the desert to attempt what geoff lawton did in jordan. does anyone have any good reference material on that subject?

and lastly, i just wanted to share this here link, only 300 some people have viewed these series, and thats a lame small number, so more people need to watch it, its like 20 hours of lecture by bill mollison and geoff lawton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3dn3n4rH4U&list=TLxrH4EEVF_SE

thanks

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Fibonacci_Spiral_GeoGebra.svg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fibonacci_Spiral_GeoGebra.svg&h=1398&w=2219&sz=12&tbnid=ivAggFdgY2mfeM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=122&zoom=1&usg=__SVnvkbGs-l_uY63rti9UPaPJLMk=&docid=JpGBmPVfzR6eSM&sa=X&ei=lVUYUrHmM8fL2gX2sYHACg&ved=0CEcQ9QEwAw&dur=469

if the smallest square is zone one, then zones 2-6 are all touching on zone one.

just thought this was a cool thought. maybe one could overlay a property map with a fibonacci spiral and then tailor the zones according to any anomalies in the landscape.

anyway, just a cool thought, i thought.

oh, and im also contemplating moving to the desert to attempt what geoff lawton did in jordan. does anyone have any good reference material on that subject?

and lastly, i just wanted to share this here link, only 300 some people have viewed these series, and thats a lame small number, so more people need to watch it, its like 20 hours of lecture by bill mollison and geoff lawton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3dn3n4rH4U&list=TLxrH4EEVF_SE

thanks

John Polk

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Location: Currently in Lake Stevens, WA. Home in Spokane

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posted 3 years ago

Zone 6? I have seen zones 1-5 discussed, with occasional reference to zone 0 (the actual house where 'we' sleep).

Zone 5 has always been referred to the 'natural' area where

The Fibonacci spiral is based on the 'Golden Ratio', see Wikipedia.

It would probably work out, if you had a spiral shaped piece of property.

However, in Britain, and all of her ex-colonies, an acre of land (what a man and his beast could plough in a day) was typically 660 feet by 66 feet (enough land to feed a man and his family, with a minimum of U-turns for the ploughman/beast). Typically, a 5 acre plot is 660x330: 5 one acre plots, side by side

If you bought a plot of land, that was roughly proportionately to the golden ratio, and had never been developed by man,

If the land has already been altered to the point that there is no longer a zone 5 on site, you will need to observe neighboring zone 5's to best interpret what the nature of the land is, (and try as best as possible to restore that missing zone).

And, thanks for that link to Mollison. I had not seen that presentation yet. The best I have ever seen/heard him refer to the 3rd ethic. Should be enough to shut down the 'moochers' that think we 'owe' them something.

Zone 5 has always been referred to the 'natural' area where

**no**change takes place...nature's space...raw.The Fibonacci spiral is based on the 'Golden Ratio', see Wikipedia.

It would probably work out, if you had a spiral shaped piece of property.

However, in Britain, and all of her ex-colonies, an acre of land (what a man and his beast could plough in a day) was typically 660 feet by 66 feet (enough land to feed a man and his family, with a minimum of U-turns for the ploughman/beast). Typically, a 5 acre plot is 660x330: 5 one acre plots, side by side

If you bought a plot of land, that was roughly proportionately to the golden ratio, and had never been developed by man,

*perhaps*it could be zoned accordingly, but I see no advantage to that. Land is not a 2 dimensional quantity, despite what the realtor and tax man tell you. It is 4 dimensional: length, breadth, depth, and fertility. If it is raw land, a zone 5 must be preserved, to observe and study what is the nature of the land. This will instruct you how__best__to develop the other zones.If the land has already been altered to the point that there is no longer a zone 5 on site, you will need to observe neighboring zone 5's to best interpret what the nature of the land is, (and try as best as possible to restore that missing zone).

And, thanks for that link to Mollison. I had not seen that presentation yet. The best I have ever seen/heard him refer to the 3rd ethic. Should be enough to shut down the 'moochers' that think we 'owe' them something.

Joel Cederberg

Posts: 58

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posted 3 years ago

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yea, zone six wouldnt be touching zone one anyway, it would lie just beyond zone two. typing too fast i guess. although, i dont see why a zone six couldnt exist if i wanted one to exist.

the fibonacci spiral is made by starting off with a 1x1 square, then another 1x1, then a 2x2, then a 3x3, 5x5,8x8, and so on. you then make arcs through these squares; that creates the trademark fibonacci spiral. thus, the fibonacci spiral is actually a rectangle which you can use as a map overlay with the innermost square being the home (zone 1 or 0 whatever). it doesnt matter if the property is shaped like a tuna fish or small intenstines, you can still put a fibonacci spiral over it and use it as a template for zoneing.

ive spent most of my day at the cafe where i work covertly sketching spirals on wax papers and overlaying them over imaginary properties of different shapes, after getting bored with that i started to use existing land maps of peoples farms with zone outlines and have found that most do follow the spiral pattern in some unique way or another. even maps taken from tropical areas with cliffs and mountains in the mix follow this pattern. thats just from what ive found today.

axiom: your property would not have to be proportionate to the golden ratio since the golden ratio is a ratio.

anyway, if you have a flat acre of land, you can use the golden ratio to orchestrate your zones so that all zones are directly touching the "home base" or what have you. also they would progress in size with zones 1 and 2 being the smallest of the 5. if a spiral were to be used, the raw natural area would be the larges zone. i like this idea because it dictates a ratio of how big your house can be as compared to the total property. lastly, since using a spiral to help zone places all zones closer together, a whole bunch of energy is saved which can then be spent building up the soils fertility instead of walking to a fertile patch of soil every day. i do not think fertility should count as the fourth dimension of soil since good soil is something you can create and space time is not.

the fibonacci spiral is made by starting off with a 1x1 square, then another 1x1, then a 2x2, then a 3x3, 5x5,8x8, and so on. you then make arcs through these squares; that creates the trademark fibonacci spiral. thus, the fibonacci spiral is actually a rectangle which you can use as a map overlay with the innermost square being the home (zone 1 or 0 whatever). it doesnt matter if the property is shaped like a tuna fish or small intenstines, you can still put a fibonacci spiral over it and use it as a template for zoneing.

ive spent most of my day at the cafe where i work covertly sketching spirals on wax papers and overlaying them over imaginary properties of different shapes, after getting bored with that i started to use existing land maps of peoples farms with zone outlines and have found that most do follow the spiral pattern in some unique way or another. even maps taken from tropical areas with cliffs and mountains in the mix follow this pattern. thats just from what ive found today.

axiom: your property would not have to be proportionate to the golden ratio since the golden ratio is a ratio.

anyway, if you have a flat acre of land, you can use the golden ratio to orchestrate your zones so that all zones are directly touching the "home base" or what have you. also they would progress in size with zones 1 and 2 being the smallest of the 5. if a spiral were to be used, the raw natural area would be the larges zone. i like this idea because it dictates a ratio of how big your house can be as compared to the total property. lastly, since using a spiral to help zone places all zones closer together, a whole bunch of energy is saved which can then be spent building up the soils fertility instead of walking to a fertile patch of soil every day. i do not think fertility should count as the fourth dimension of soil since good soil is something you can create and space time is not.