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give"harris on the pig" by Joseph Harris a read.

 
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if you haven't read "harris on the pig"you should.written in 1883,he was a woods and pasture fan before the "yuppies in the know"knew what a gilt was.endless info and a great read.my nephew and pals,not really related to topic but fun anyways.
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