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can I use vitis vinifera wood in a hugel bed?

 
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Hi evreyone, I'm starting to design my plot and would like to have some huglebeds. Since I live in a community with lots of wine producers I started thinking about using the wood from the plants that get eradicated from the vineyards. They have this insane practice here to just rip out plants that may be thirty years old and burn them. I was thinking about taking the woody parts, and not only, to start my hugelbeds, after leaving the wood to rot a bit.
Is vitis vinifera wood indicated for a hugel bed?
I'd have a lot of it and for free. Does anyone have experience with it in hugelbeds?

thanks for any suggestion
 
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Hi Lorenzo,

Just a thought about wood from vineyards: copper.

Copper sulfate (Bordaux mixture, verderame) is a widely used fungicide in vineyards, and copper build up in the soil is a well known problem. In Italy a certified organic vineyard can use up to 6 kg of pure copper sulphate per hectar\year. Non-organic vineyards can use up to 38 kg of pure copper sulphate per hectar\year. In the best case a 30 years old vineyard has been sprayed with 180 kg of copper per hectar.

I do not know how much copper is absorbed by the wood, but I would expect more than traces. Of course you don't want neither a fungicide of any kind at the core of your hugelkultur nor copper pollution in your yard.

I am not an expert, but I would not use it.

Thanks for your praise in my last post.

Going to spray some copper on my tomatoes... bye
 
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Thanks Raoul hadn't thought of this, or I find a way to analyze the copper content in the wood or I'll let that wood go... now I know what to look for
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