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Scott Foster wrote:
For those of you, who didn't know that Bayer AG now owns Monsanto



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Yeah, but now Bayer has bought all of Monsanto's legal woes. Mine is a fervent hope that instant karma will get them. Right in the face.

If you are following what's going on in the world there are some VERY MAJOR changes coming. One of those changes is that Monsanto/Bayer will be thrown out of the USA and more than likely put out of business altogether. The Roundup lawsuits are slowly but surely chewing up Monsato and as soon as Kanavaugh is confirmed they will be fighting strong legal headwinds.

Permaculture/organic farming is on the cusp of a strong explosion and those who have positioned themselves for it will be the ones to benefit the most.

I can't give you a timeline as I don't know for myself, however, I expect many of these changes to be done within the next two years. Already, banks are making it difficult for farmers to get the funding that they need to plant 2019 crops and some farmers are already folding.

The legal side of everything is looking very optimistic and don't forget to vote Republican in November. We are NOT voting Rep-Dem this time around- we are voting Rep-Leftists and that is an entirely different paradigm than what many people know to be the norm. If you didn't already know, POTUS used to be a Democrat.
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I hope you are correct that Bayer is going to get smacked but I wouldn't count on it.  You forget we live in an era of lobbyists and behind the door agreements.  I would fully expect that the price of pesticides, pesticide ready seeds, and the cost of food in the supermarket will go up.  The consumer will pay their way.

Bayer now controls 1/4 of the world's food.

"The three largest industries in the world, Agriculture, Food and Health,-now operate as separate businesses,-but there are a set of changes that will lead to their integration."  Robert B. Shapiro Monsanto CEO 1995-2000

Bayer knows about the lawsuits and they don't care because there is too much money involved and the monocultural farmers and the people buying the shitty food will pay the way.    

"Control the food and you control the people."  Attributed to Henry Kissinger

Check out the Farmers Assurance Provision Signed into law in 2013.  Many call it the Monsanto protection act.  Pushed by Senator Roy Blunt, Signed by Obama.  





 
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Scott Foster wrote:I hope you are correct that Bayer is going to get smacked but I wouldn't count on it.  You forget we live in an era of lobbyists and behind the door agreements.  I would fully expect that the price of pesticides, pesticide ready seeds, and the cost of food in the supermarket will go up.  The consumer will pay their way.

Bayer now controls 1/4 of the world's food.

"The three largest industries in the world, Agriculture, Food and Health,-now operate as separate businesses,-but there are a set of changes that will lead to their integration."  Robert B. Shapiro Monsanto CEO 1995-2000

Bayer knows about the lawsuits and they don't care because there is too much money involved and the monocultural farmers and the people buying the shitty food will pay the way.    

"Control the food and you control the people."  Attributed to Henry Kissinger



If you have been following what is going on with Q you will have some idea.

Monsato was evicted from Russia... now they are doing extremely well.
 
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If you have been following what is going on with Q you will have some idea.

Monsato was evicted from Russia... now they are doing extremely well.



Who is 'Q' ?

Do you mean that now Monsanto is doing extremely well or Russia?


If you didn't already know, POTUS used to be a Democrat.


My opinion is that 45 is an opportunist, never a republican or democrat.

sincerely,
a card carrying Green


 
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I am sure 45 is an opportunist. If Bayer lines his pockets, he'll pave the way and roll out the red carpet.

And when the pendulum swings again, its pivot will hop back to a pre-Regan-era political centre similar to what the rest of the world considers acceptable, and maybe just a little further left.

I really don't get how the GOP could kick them out. It's against their governing principal, that is to make money at whatever cost. And the Democrats are the ones who, at least recently, are responsible for most of the environmental and social regulations that the Right claims stifles unrestrained business growth.

I think you may have it backwards, J Anders.

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Chris Kott wrote:Yeah, but now Bayer has bought all of Monsanto's legal woes. Mine is a fervent hope that instant karma will get them. Right in the face.

-CK



Check out the Farmers Assurance Provision Signed into law in 2013.  
 
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If you have been following what is going on with Q you will have some idea.

Monsato was evicted from Russia... now they are doing extremely well.



Who is 'Q' ?

Do you mean that now Monsanto is doing extremely well or Russia?


If you didn't already know, POTUS used to be a Democrat.


My opinion is that 45 is an opportunist, never a republican or democrat.

sincerely,
a card carrying Green




qmap.pub would give you all of Q's postings.

Russia is doing very well. They are the world's largest producer of organic wheat now.

I would agree with you about DJT.
 
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J Anders, you're inventing political distinctions that don't exist.

Leftists aren't a thing. It's just a lazy way that Rightists (see what I did there? How marginalised might that make a right-winger feel?) have taken to describe anyone not as far-right on the political spectrum as they themselves are, which is pretty much anyone.

A religious reading of recent history could describe the evangelical Christian right as having elected the antchrist, who pays lipservice to their beliefs but holds none of them. I think he is taking the country he is running (into the ground) the same direction he's taken about every business he's owned: bankruptcy. After all, what is the value of all of Wall Street if its all in USD as it takes a hit against all other currencies?

I defy you to show me where in any recognised official document it clearly states that Communists are illegal in the USA.

It is less than useful hyperbole to refer to anyone that holds political beliefs to the left of yours as communists. It is also inaccurate.

I wish people who liked to voice their political opinions understood the other side better, instead of slamming the door on conversation with dog whistles and willful lack of understanding. Since when has it been desireable to embrace ignorance and division over intelligent discourse that brings us together?

As far as i know, the US has its political Left, which sits just to the right of everyone else's Centre, its political Right, whose extreme looks a lot like either Theocracy or Fascism, and Libertarians of every flavour along that spectrum.

The white evangelical right are in decline, which is why they were prepared to compromise everything to elect Herr Drumpf. All they had was their supposed moral high ground. What is now left to them?

-CK
 
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Chris Kott wrote:J Anders, you're inventing political distinctions that don't exist.

Leftists aren't a thing. It's just a lazy way that Rightists (see what I did there? How marginalised might that make a right-winger feel?) have taken to describe anyone not as far-right on the political spectrum as they themselves are, which is pretty much anyone.

A religious reading of recent history could describe the evangelical Christian right as having elected the antchrist, who pays lipservice to their beliefs but holds none of them. I think he is taking the country he is running (into the ground) the same direction he's taken about every business he's owned: bankruptcy. After all, what is the value of all of Wall Street if its all in USD as it takes a hit against all other currencies?

I defy you to show me where in any recognised official document it clearly states that Communists are illegal in the USA.

It is less than useful hyperbole to refer to anyone that holds political beliefs to the left of yours as communists. It is also inaccurate.

I wish people who liked to voice their political opinions understood the other side better, instead of slamming the door on conversation with dog whistles and willful lack of understanding. Since when has it been desireable to embrace ignorance and division over intelligent discourse that brings us together?

As far as i know, the US has its political Left, which sits just to the right of everyone else's Centre, its political Right, whose extreme looks a lot like either Theocracy or Fascism, and Libertarians of every flavour along that spectrum.

The white evangelical right are in decline, which is why they were prepared to compromise everything to elect Herr Drumpf. All they had was their supposed moral high ground. What is now left to them?

-CK



I submit the following piece of Federal Legislation that was signed into law in 1954 that banned Communism. Communist Control Act of 1954

When you dig deeper into Wall Street you will find that the vast majority of people who work there are of one specific association and once you did deeper into that specific association you will understand what they are really trying to do.

The Evangelical Christian Right has no clue what they are doing and they are stooges for the specific association that I just mentioned. Trump is not the Anti-Christ and he is restoring the United States to it's Christian foundations. The Anti-Christ will rise to power in Kazakhstan and his base will be Astana.

The Political Left here in the United States has very little in common with the Liberals, and traditionally, I believe that, we never had a Political Left that was in serious power before big money started pouring into politics and voting machines started rigging elections.
 
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That's a nice bit of fascist-era legislation you've got there. Did you read the part where it was deemed unconstitutional in Arizona in 1973? Or the part where it applied specifically to Communist Party of America members? Or perhaps the very telling bit about it targeting labour unions? The Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled on that act's constitutionality, but were it forced to, I am sure that it would be consigned to the rubbish bin of legislative history.

To be clear, it didn't ban communism. It sought to criminalise membership to a specific political party.

Of what specific association are you referring? Why is it necessary to couch this revelation in such ambiguous language? Is it, perhaps, because such a distinction is distastefully discriminatory in a racial sense?

As to the antichrist, I have different thoughts. I think Revelations was political commentary on Nero's Rome, just as the bible is a collection of traditional stories reworked to tell moral lessons, as most historians would conclude. Sort of like Aesop's Fables, but without the charm. And why are you dignifying the concept of the antichrist by Capitalising the Name?

Your position lacks the benefit of credibility, or fact. If the popular vote won the day, the right would be sunk. That's why the GOP has been creatively gerrymandering so much that district lines look like an advanced adult colouring book, and that's why they will hold on to the Electoral College until the very last. Unless it inconveniences them.

There has been no evidence of voting machines rigging the elections. That's just what Republicans say when they lose.

The political left isn't for putting minority groups ahead of White People. It is for universal individual rights, as far as I can tell, where anyone, identifying with any place on the gendered spectrum (or off of it), of any descent, holding any political opinion, can live free without being discriminated against for not living up to anothers' antiquated moral code.

And just a quick morality smell-test: if objecting to a thing you think is immoral causes you to exhibit immoral behaviour, your position is compromised. Seek higher moral authority.

-CK
 
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Joseph, where did you get such an accurate portrait of me?

-CK
 
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Chris Kott wrote:Joseph, where did you get such an accurate portrait of me?



I used to be that guy, on the topic of Mormonism. LOL! Those were exciting times. Ultimately though, personal safety became more important to me.
 
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