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Peg Campbell

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since Apr 29, 2012
Lakeland, FL, Zone 8-9
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Jotham Bessey wrote:Attention getter is not necessarily a bad thing. The makeup industry really could be blamed for this. their ads suggested you had to wear makeup to be beautiful. Even the name..... "Cover Girl" ..... seriously? cover what? The makeup industry wanted more business and instead of promoting festive uses and self expression, they tried to convince everyone they needed makeup to be beautiful. Some people believed them, most people believed them to the extent that they now think makeup is for covering up.

A little bit of makeup for festivities or self expression fine. I'd like to point out though, There are a great many people that you wouldn't recognize without their makeup. Go in a bank with a mask on and they'd call the police, but completely covered in makeup, fine!
So this is what the discussion is about. it isn't saying makeup is terrible thing. But if you buy into the makeup industry propaganda that you have to be constantly wearing their product to be beautiful, you've let them kill your self esteem and suck you into another facet for consumerism slavery.    

"Cover Girl" makeup alludes to the fact that you can look like the models on the cover of magazines who are known in the modeling industry as Cover Girls--the most beautiful models (according to someone) are the ones who are chosen for this.  So, if you wear Cover Girl makeup you can look like a Cover Girl model--extremely beautiful!  :-0
1 year ago
Hi Nick, Yes, for sure you wouldn't be having prescribed burns there. I foresee your area transitioning to something slightly different than the sandhill it's forest at a time. You are a pioneer and demonstrator in your area as are most of us at this point.

How high are you above sea level? Also wondering how deep they go in your area before they hit water---a well company in your area would know the answer. Also wondering about deserts of the world which the sandhill seem to be similar to. How deep is it to water in the various deserts? They're doing Permaculture in AZ and the desert by the Dead Sea that I mentioned and wondering if anyone knows the depths of water tables there. And of course, part of Permaculture is creating water cachement systems where there are none already or where they are not working the way we would like them to.

Again, glad you're moving along, as are we, and everyone else's energy flows over this way and out, motivating us to do what we want to do anyway!
6 years ago
Found this link about Sandhills in Florida and posted some excerpts from the page. To keep it as a Sandhill ecosystem means prescribed, periodic burns are required. If no fires, the ecology (plants and wildlife) will evolve into something different. I think the wildlife will continue, will adapt, maybe the ratios and numbers would change but the wildlife would still survive and find places to live.

In areas where fire is suppressed woody shrubs and additional hardwood species can establish and alter the composition and structure of the ecosystem. In the absence of fire sandhill ecosystems will evolve to become upland hardwood stands of dominant oaks and hickories.

In systems where fire has been suppressed turkey oaks and a few other hardwood species can be seen along with some woody shrubs and plants such as deerberry, blackberry, and running oak. Saw palmetto is another familiar feature in less-frequently burned sandhills.

Fire-suppressed sandhills will have more turkey oaks, woody undergrowth, and other hardwood trees. These habitats support several different wildlife species. Many songbirds use the hardwoods and pines in more overgrown sandhill systems. These include ground dove, kingbird, bluebird, nuthatch, and red-bellied woodpecker.

Suppression of fire in these habitats also allows the vegetative fuels to build up and increase the risk of damaging, high-intensity fires. Such wildland fires may burn out of control and threaten homes, farms, and livestock in the vicinity. Managing sandhill habitats with regular, prescribed burns will reduce the risk of destructive fires while preserving the land for native plants and wildlife.

A List of Dominant Plants in Sandhill ecosystem (one that has periodic fires burning through):

Dominant Trees:

Longleaf pine
Slash pine
Turkey oak

Associated Trees and Plants:


Black cherry
Blackjack oak
Bluejack oak
Dwarf live oak
Sand live oak
Sand pine
Sand post oak
Southern red oak

Companion Plants:

Bracken fern
Deer tongue
Dwarf huckleberry
Golden aster
Gopher apple
Ground blueberry
Lopsided Indiangrass
Low panicums
Prickly pear
Running oak
Rusty lyonia
Saw palmetto
Small-fruited paw paw

6 years ago
The rainy season ends officially Nov. 1 but it usually is slowing down gradually through October as it gradually cools down, too. We have heard about someone growing Asparagus just a little North of us maybe around 10 miles up 98 and it can actually be more cold days here where we are than where they are growing it so we were encouraged by this and we got some from Lowes here locally--just don't know if we got the right variety, haven't planted it yet. But will try to find out in case that's important. Not sure how many chilling hours it needs or how much dormancy....hope to hear more answers, too!
6 years ago
Hello all, and thank you Nick for starting this post, for making your list and for sharing it. A month or more ago, you shared with me your list and then motivated me to get one going and for that I am also quite grateful. Also, just seeing this thread and hoping there is a way to follow postings at this site so that they can come into my email. If not, I will have to find a way to stay aware of them. Oh, good! Replies will come to my email, I see at the end...
There is so much that I read and would love to make comments and suggestions, etc. but not enough time to do it all at once. So, will pick and choose and try to prioritize.

From Nick: "I am seeing that my shallow rooted stuff is needing irrigation - including grapes, apple trees, citrus, avocado, fig, pineapple guava, peach, loquat, blackberries, and blueberries. I do expect the blackberries to become more draught tolerant as they become fully established, but I think they will produce better with some irrigation"

Weather does not always follow an exact timetable so it may or may not happen that Rainy season begins in June. This year it seems to have started early, last year it came a month late. Even when it comes, there can be a week or more without any rain and then anything newly planted (which mostly need extra water temporarily) can need supplementation.

Plants fully established in nature hardly ever die because of lack of water. If they are planted in a desert, then yes. With Permaculture, you are actually changing from a desert (if you're starting with one) and to a whole other type of terrain.
At the end of this thread, on the bottom of the page I saw a link to another thread, which I have not checked out yet and it's about Permaculture in the Desert. And I highly recommend checking into that type of thing to convert a dry space into a "tropical" space. I think this is true: any place on earth that is now a desert was originally NOT a desert and became one as the result of human abuse. If anyone knows otherwise, I would be glad to hear it. Geoff Lawton oversaw a wonderful project on the border of Israel and Lebanon near the Dead Sea and was able to create a lush oasis in salt-laden soil with something like an inch a year of rain. 10 acres! You can watch a video about this on youtube. Whatever he did could be most useful. Maybe the link to another discussion I mentioned earlier mentions this?

We currently have most of the plants that Nick mentioned in his comment and once established, needing no further irrigation. We may have a water table that is much higher here where we are than where you are, Nick, but most of these plants are shallow rooted and not reaching our water table which has diminished considerably in the almost 10 year old drought we may be pulling out of. Most of our property is a natural forest, wonderful to observe and we have many "edges" on which to create intermediate food forests and are in the process of doing so. Those edges and the "cultivated" spaces between us and the house and another area that has been cleared and cut for many years are being converted back to nature by us, slowly but surely. Even cutting with a lawnmower prevents nature from doing her job, disturbing the soil terribly. Also, I will go back and see where you mentioned 80' as the depth of I think your water table and wondering if it was that or how high you are above sea level? They are two different things. Would be good to know for sure about that. Not sure of any tree or plant that would go down 80' for water if that is the closest water below ground. But, I am not sure about this, just throwing out some food for thought.

It's sure exciting to see the explosion in interest and awareness in Permaculture. We are pioneers in this for sure and it takes time to share, to document with text and pictures and it is much appreciated by all. Even if we're too busy sometimes to express it, to share it as much as we'd like...thanks everyone!

Our place: Barefoot Creek, North of Lakeland, FL and our fairly new Facebook Page:
6 years ago