Hello all, and thank you Nick for starting this post, for making your list and for sharing it. A month or more ago, you shared with me your list and then motivated me to get one going and for that I am also quite grateful. Also, just seeing this thread and hoping there is a way to follow postings at this site so that they can come into my email. If not, I will have to find a way to stay aware of them. Oh, good! Replies will come to my email, I see at the end...
There is so much that I read and would love to make comments and suggestions, etc. but not enough time to do it all at once. So, will pick and choose and try to prioritize.
From Nick: "I am seeing that my shallow rooted stuff is needing irrigation - including grapes, apple trees, citrus, avocado, fig, pineapple guava, peach, loquat, blackberries, and blueberries. I do expect the blackberries to become more draught tolerant as they become fully established, but I think they will produce better with some irrigation"
Weather does not always follow an exact timetable so it may or may not happen that Rainy season begins in June. This year it seems to have started early, last year it came a month late. Even when it comes, there can be a week or more without any rain and then anything newly planted (which mostly need extra water temporarily) can need supplementation.
Plants fully established in nature hardly ever die because of lack of water. If they are planted in a desert, then yes. With Permaculture, you are actually changing from a desert (if you're starting with one) and to a whole other type of terrain.
At the end of this thread, on the bottom of the page I saw a link to another thread, which I have not checked out yet and it's about Permaculture in the Desert. And I highly recommend checking into that type of thing to convert a dry space into a "tropical" space. I think this is true: any place on earth that is now a desert was originally NOT a desert and became one as the result of human abuse. If anyone knows otherwise, I would be glad to hear it. Geoff Lawton oversaw a wonderful project on the border of Israel and Lebanon near the Dead Sea and was able to create a lush oasis in salt-laden soil with something like an inch a year of rain. 10 acres! You can watch a video about this on youtube. Whatever he did could be most useful. Maybe the link to another discussion I mentioned earlier mentions this?
We currently have most of the plants that Nick mentioned in his comment and once established, needing no further irrigation. We may have a water table that is much higher here where we are than where you are, Nick, but most of these plants are shallow rooted and not reaching our water table which has diminished considerably in the almost 10 year old drought we may be pulling out of. Most of our property is a natural forest, wonderful to observe and we have many "edges" on which to create intermediate food forests and are in the process of doing so. Those edges and the "cultivated" spaces between us and the house and another area that has been cleared and cut for many years are being converted back to nature by us, slowly but surely. Even cutting with a lawnmower prevents nature from doing her job, disturbing the soil terribly. Also, I will go back and see where you mentioned 80' as the depth of I think your water table and wondering if it was that or how high you are above sea level? They are two different things. Would be good to know for sure about that. Not sure of any tree or plant that would go down 80' for water if that is the closest water below ground. But, I am not sure about this, just throwing out some food for thought.
It's sure exciting to see the explosion in interest and awareness in Permaculture. We are pioneers in this for sure and it takes time to share, to document with text and pictures and it is much appreciated by all. Even if we're too busy sometimes to express it, to share it as much as we'd like...thanks everyone!
Our place: Barefoot Creek, North of Lakeland, FL and our fairly new Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/BarefootCreekFlorida