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Hi fellow people,

So my goal is an awesome shower.

I have,
rainwater collection at the top of a hill
two solar water heater panels
A 200litre hot water tank

Considerations
It's in a valley, sometimes four hours direct sun.
It heavily rains, water is an abundance
It's New Zealand, so quite nice in the summer, but tomatoes are hard to grow.
Mostly it's about an awesome shower.

Ideas
Use a combo of califont and solar, therefore hotter water to heat up less therefore higher flow?

Or just use a califobt? (Budget may not equal awesome shower flow)

Also have.. a running stream that I always wonder about trying to harness the energy of, but seems silly in terms of water heating

What's your opinion please plumbing minded permies?
 
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I don't quite understand what you are asking.  Do you want help with the plumbing aspect or do you want ideas for awesome showers?

Do you want an awesome indoor shower?


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Or are you wanting an awesome outdoor shower?


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Please define what you are wanting so our members can offer suggestions that might help you.
 
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Kay Kaykayson wrote:Hi fellow people,

So my goal is an awesome shower.

I have,
rainwater collection at the top of a hill
two solar water heater panels
A 200litre hot water tank

Considerations
It's in a valley, sometimes four hours direct sun.
It heavily rains, water is an abundance
It's New Zealand, so quite nice in the summer, but tomatoes are hard to grow.
Mostly it's about an awesome shower.

Ideas
Use a combo of califont and solar, therefore hotter water to heat up less therefore higher flow?

Or just use a califobt? (Budget may not equal awesome shower flow)

Also have.. a running stream that I always wonder about trying to harness the energy of, but seems silly in terms of water heating

What's your opinion please plumbing minded permies?


What kind of hot water panels? Is frost an issue in your part of new Zealand?
 
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Thanks for your reply, Im looking for plumbing opinions not aesthetics. I want to achieve a decent water flow. Specifically whether preheating the water via solar will help or hinder.
 
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Those outside NZ may not be aware that a califont is an on demand water heater, either gas or electric powered. I could be wrong but I don't think the term is widely used elsewhere.
 
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I have never heard of that heater by that name.
Its an instantaneous gas heater.
Back to the start

I want to achieve a decent water flow



What flow rate are you looking for? Litres per minute
 
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In my estimation, an "awesome shower" (or a Hollywood Shower as some naval types call it) is a combination of temperature and pressure. This, and an enclosure that holds the steam, is the definition of awesomeness. That, and the outrageous luxury of lingering in the stream of awesomeness, steaming out the pores and working out the knots in strained muscles.

Some may argue that this awesomeness has long been achieved by a simple wood-fired sauna, gentle flogging with birch branches, and a lake to jump into. I cannot speak to the efficacy of this ritual.
 
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An 'awesome shower' may include a nice drink and a rubdown afterwards.
I have heard oif them, but after searching for years I have never been able to get one!
 
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Hi Kay,
Welcome to Permies!
After working hard in the sun an awesome shower is the best! No reason why you can’t achieve this and solar heating will certainly reduce or eliminate your water heating requirements. It may turn out to be more complicated than you are thinking of though.
This thread about solar hot water may help: https://permies.com/t/57410/Solar-water-heater-plans-safe
I suspect that defining your requirements may also help. Can you define the flow that you need, and the total volume? Maybe by catching the ideal flow in a bucket and measuring the volume caught in a minute? Then the temperature you are aiming at. You may find a ‘proper’ system gets quite expensive unless you can get all the major components second hand, but you may be able to rig up a camping shower system (think black bag of water in the sun) which may be surprisingly effective as long as you can leave it for enough time to collect the heat.

I love Anne’s pictures, those showers are awesome!
 
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Kay Kaykayson wrote:Thanks for your reply, Im looking for plumbing opinions not aesthetics. I want to achieve a decent water flow. Specifically whether preheating the water via solar will help or hinder.



Hi Kay,
Welcome to Permies.  Looking forward to seeing more from south of the equator
Awesomeness is as you say plumbing not aesthetics.  Why not go for both?
To start at the beginning: water is not an issue for you so no problem there.  Consider the following:
Use off grid electricity
Use a solar water heater
Make sure that your solar hot water is not a pressurised system.
The higher the water source, the greater the pressure at the outlet.
Use your winter household heating to heat your winter hot water.

So Start with a header tank of about 500 L that is at least 6 - 8 M above the height of your highest water outlet.
Use a small pump run by solar to fill the tank as often as needed.  We (couple) full the tank 3 times per week. Pump switches on at 10 and is pressure controlled timer switches off at 12 MD.

Solar hot water (ours is a Solarhart with "Heart Guard" so it does not freeze in winter).  We have a 200 L tank which should be enough for 4 people.
The pressure valves have been removed and a shepherds crook 1 M higher than the header tank installed and the inlet and outlet are connected to a jacket in the fire flu. Any heat in the flu is lost to the house so it is an opportunity to capture heat that would other wise go up in smoke so to speak.  The water is heated in the flu and travels to the storage tank on the roof by thermosyphon.

All that remains is the view experienced while under the shower or sitting in the bath

We have both hot and cold water at no cost and the grey water gets used around the house to keep the area around the house green as part of our bush fire mitigation.



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Our Hot water heater, Old Solar Panels and Shepherds Crook
Our Hot water heater, Old Solar Panels and Shepherds Crook
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Diagram of our Hot Water System
 
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Tried several times to fix the diagram to no avail. Where the hot water comes out of the top of the hot water jacket and goes back into the top of the Solar HW storage tank. :-) where the HW from the collector comes in and the HW goes to the house
Good luck Kay with your build.
 
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