This is an informative forum. I think it offers great advice for women who want to hike, ski, bicycle, support soil health in their garden, etc., but want to be discrete about it. Sounds like the pstyle device in black, stored in a sock while trekking, cleaned in the dishwasher, is the winner. However, the automotive funnel has definitely got a more open carry factor to it. My sister-in-law told me her skier friend uses GoGirl. Thanks for all the comments.