Michael Bushman wrote:If all plants and animals have their use and shouldn't be killed off, then nothing man does is bad.
(quote, Bushman) "Planting a food forest is just as much agriculture as is plowing up a field and pouring chemicals on it, we are modifying our environment to better suit us. One is certainly more sustainable than the other ..."
Lol. Several things...
1. Did I ever say killing hogweed was bad? Or did I say the niche it occupies should be considered first and that it also had uses?
2. You assume because humans gave themselves the categorization of "animal" that we are like all other animals? Like most human designations, we are hypocritical with this application.
When we want to justify behavior with a "you or they do it too" mentality ...we INCLUDE ourselves in a larger group (be it the animal kingdom, politics, race or religion)
When we are in our elitist, self aggrandizing , destruction mode, we are exclusive elevating ourselves over other groups, be it all other living plants and animals, other religions or political parties,other races or countries..etc.
This dissonance destroys not only our sense of self, but also our connection with life on the planet..it is how we are capable of killing so nonchalantly.
It also confirms we are an aberration.
We are capable of doing great harm to the planet and all who inhabit it, then capable of shades of lies and compartmentalization so we can ignore or try to justify what we do.
It ALL comes out in the end, as we reap what we have sown and not what we lie or justify to ourselves about what we have sown.
Planting a food forest may or may not be either agriculture or permaculture, but it does not have to be either.
Humans are unlike any other living entity on the planet . We are an aberration.
All animals either work within nature or they die out. Humans routinely work against nature and themselves. We tend to be very, very self centered and oblivious to our connections with everything else on the planet.
I have a food forest. I did not cultivate anything. Instead, I introduced animals to my gardens then let then wander in my woods. They dropped their feces and all kinds of stuff began to grow there.
It is a woods. No plow. No swales, No shovels, pick axes, fertilizers, herbicides, pesticides, no direct cultivation by man. None. Not even a stick or sed dropping.
All food thus far was introduced by animals, but I opened a large portion of my garden for this and did chase some or gently herd others into the woods. The squirrels did a lot.
Lots of garden escapees there, and every year it is more diverse and profuse.
There are even plants and flowers beginning to grow that I never had in my garden. It is wondrous.
From quince to persimmon, huckleberries, gooseberry brambles, taro, wild yams, elderberries, raspberries, strawberries, kale, dandelions, poke, tons of stuff...and I never do a thing.
My flora has increased in diversity also with all kinds of birds, frogs and insects ..I have more humming birds and finches than I have ever seen in my life .
The only permaculture in my food forest has been in me giving it a zone designation.
I have too many herbs in there to count, numerous greens, edible roots, wild tomatoes and other fruits, great mushrooms too.
I may introduce potatoes in there....
My engineering of this, was simply to herd animals in to clear paths, eat ticks, and drop spore.
I pick as I go on walks and come back with a bounty. It is not a glade, but the woods are not dense..
Food forests can be a component of permaculture BUT not all food forests perform either permaculture or agriculture.
To foment my own forest, I only planned to share my bounty with the creatures in it..and my now rich forest/woods are what they all gave back in return.