Ari Persian

tel jetson wrote:sounds fun.
I've seen some kakishibu denim jeans before. very expensive. as with indigo denim, only the warp was dyed.

Yeh they are CRAZY expensive ($200-$400). Here are some examples with cost (the cost for alot of these is USED btw hehe):
https://www.grailed.com/listings/14559443-kapital-kakishibu-dyed-selvedge-denim
https://www.grailed.com/listings/14175047-sugar-cane-x-toyo-enterprises-sc-redline-selvedge-persimmon-dye-jeans
https://www.grailed.com/listings/16775833-kapital-x-kapital-kountry-kapital-kountry-persimmon-dyed-boro-aloha-shirt-3
https://www.okayamadenim.com/products/pre-order-od-pbj-18oz-kakishibu-selvedge-jeans-relaxed-tapered (example where Indigo dye on the 'warp' and Persimmon dye on the 'weft' part of the jean... guessing weft means the inner threads on inside of the pants).

Very pretty dye. so hoping to save some money and make my own since I know Levi's 501s fit me perfect :).

I think I'll try Kakishibu, Kakishibu with Iron Modifier, Kakishibu with Indigo, and possible try to get some blue-greens on a few more jeans (I've seen Indigo with Grass dye for example on these expensive jeans: https://i.imgur.com/Hu7FHeA.jpg which I like the color of... but i think maybe Indigo [or Logwood] combined with Weld [or Persian Berry] will also give some good greens since grass dye is harder to find and more expensive).
Here is some examples of those overdyes combos:
https://www.suzannedekel.com/post/compound-colours-indigo-and-weld-greens
https://www.suzannedekel.com/post/green-without-indigo-using-logwood-and-weld

Charlie Little wrote:Here's my Kakishibu, started a year and a month ago from native D virginiana persimmons.  Looks promising.  I just mashed them up in a vitamix and added the pulp to fermenting containers and kept covered.

tel jetson wrote:I've got five gallons in my basement. could probably spare a bit if somebody is really interested.

Hey all, I just got a little bit of Kakishibu (a few places sell the powder or liquid form of it).
Going to take some pure white Levi's 501's and try dyeing them . My artist friend's main type of work is 'dye art' so she will help me a bit.
I have learned that Kakishibu dye doesn't need a 'Mordant' to make the dye soluble in the water to stick onto the fabric (like how Indigo needs a Mordant in the dye solution).
Anyhoo, got any advice Charlie Little and tel jetson as seems like you guys are experimenting with the dye???
I kinda want a deep dark brown to show up on the fabric. Is that possible?

Should I use any Dye Modifiers before or after on the fabric like like Iron?, and if so how will it influence the color?
I am in contact with a few Kakishibu suppliers with questions like this... But thought I'd ask the forum here as well.

I also got a few other dyes and may experiment to see if I can mix/overdye and make some new interesting colors.

Thanks!,
-Ari

Hey Maine Aaron, did you have success rooting the medlar cuttings? I have some extra scionwood im thinking of rooting.
I grafted so many successfully, but would be interesting to see if they can root as well. If they are anything like rooting quince, I expect it would be very difficult... So curious of your results.