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tel jetson wrote:I've got five gallons in my basement. could probably spare a bit if somebody is really interested.
it's made with shibugaki, bitter persimmon (as opposed to kakishibu, persimmon bitters). same species, but different varieties than edible persimmons. believe it or not, even unripe edible persimmons don't have nearly the tannin content that shibugaki varieties do. the sugar content may be different, as well, though I'm not sure about that.
other varieties might work fine, but probably aren't ideal.
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Judith Browning wrote:
I'm curious....what are you planning to do with five gallons?
Judith Browning wrote:Do you think it's possible to ship a half pint or so?
Judith Browning wrote:
I'm disappointed that our persimmon variety won't work but would rather eat ripe anyway I guess.......
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R Ranson wrote:It's very thick jelly in a jar.
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tel jetson wrote:
R Ranson wrote:It's very thick jelly in a jar.
that doesn't sound quite right. even the undiluted stuff I got is still entirely liquid. it's possible that yours is already set up and won't work terribly well. no reason you shouldn't try it out, though.
R Ranson wrote:
tel jetson wrote:
R Ranson wrote:It's very thick jelly in a jar.
This website http://kakishibuusa.com/ has instructions in how to use it as paint...
Kakishibu Paint ~ "Nu-ri" - Care Points -
1. The color will be darker after the time passes, especially the surface with sunlight directly. It is better to make little lighter than you think.
2. Kakishibu will have chemical reaction with "Steel". Please do NOT use containers made by steel.
3. In case you have small air bubble during the paint, please take off with fabric.
4. There is no effect for "waterproof" right after you paint. Please make it dry out, and Kakishibu creates natural water proof effect by being oxidized in the air.
5. Kakishibu will be firmed like jelly by fermentation in the bottle. Can not keep for long term.
Joy Banks wrote:Wow folks, you've got me running down this trail now! A natural dye I've never heard of! Permies is zooming to Number One for resources, for sure.
Found a link to buying some: http://kakishibuusa.com/
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Henry Jabel wrote:Anyone know the what gives the kakishibu its various properties.
The tannin would obviously stain wood black and help preserve the wood.
However is the water proofing properties also caused by the tanin? Wikipedia says the tannin in unripe persimmons is called shibuol and can polymerise to create phytobezoars (basically a lump in the stomach!). Am I right in assuming the polymerising causes the waterproofing?
Persumably other tannins could do this or is it just shibol?
I am asking as the U.K is not exactly a persimmon hotspot but we do have some other high tannin fermented liquids
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Charlie Little wrote:
Doubtful anyone far north as Canada will get any D kaki variety to grow and survive, short of a controlled environment. Some group members grow them in large pots like figs and move them into the garage for winter.
r ranson wrote:Neat stuff.
Charlie Little wrote:
Doubtful anyone far north as Canada will get any D kaki variety to grow and survive, short of a controlled environment. Some group members grow them in large pots like figs and move them into the garage for winter.
Are they light sensitive? Eating persimmons grow well in our corner of Canada. Banana's too, except it doesn't get hot enough in the summer for them to produce. I'm curious what sort of temperature (and other climate factors) range they like.
The birth of persimmon tannin! The metamorphosis of green persimmon fruits!
Claire Tol wrote:Hey everyone!
Does anyone knows of a Kakishibu source in Germany or the EU? I'm turning up a blank, despite my best attempts. Thank you! Cheers
r ranson wrote:
Claire Tol wrote:Hey everyone!
Does anyone knows of a Kakishibu source in Germany or the EU? I'm turning up a blank, despite my best attempts. Thank you! Cheers
I wish I did.
I tried to import a crate of kakishibu into Canada, but it's illegal because it's a liquid. Which makes no sense. The problem is, it's not easy to classify. It's fermented, so it would fall under the liquor laws, but it's not consumable... so after many hours talking with the customs people, they basically said "you can't bring it into the country because we said so".
There is a powder kakishibu that we can import in theory. I haven't tried it yet as it's not as strong.
But apparently, customs have no problem with someone bringing one or two bottles in their luggage so I'm able to get a bottle every few years. I just got one and am re-dyeing my handbag right now to get a darker colour. I'm having a bit of trouble with it fading in the sunlight, which is opposit of what I was told it would do.
The kakishibu I used on wood has gotten darker with sun exposure.
The birth of persimmon tannin! The metamorphosis of green persimmon fruits!
No rain, no rainbow.
No rain, no rainbow.
Charlie Little wrote:Here's my Kakishibu, started a year and a month ago from native D virginiana persimmons. Looks promising. I just mashed them up in a vitamix and added the pulp to fermenting containers and kept covered.
tel jetson wrote:I've got five gallons in my basement. could probably spare a bit if somebody is really interested.
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Ari Persian wrote:Should I use any Dye Modifiers before or after on the fabric like like Iron?
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tel jetson wrote:sounds fun.
I've seen some kakishibu denim jeans before. very expensive. as with indigo denim, only the warp was dyed.
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