I'm in Colorado. went to local whole foods organic market (figured they got some local varieties) dried some seeds- then planted. now have a 2.5 yr old tree and it's about 4 ft. high and ready to cut to make it a dwarf next spring bc. CO> get strong winds and dwarf trees have just as many apples I understand. and take less water etc. use cut off water jugs with earth packed deep and high all around them to over winter the year and 2 year old trees. I keep about 5 inches at top for sun and to water them on warmer days....when they pout grown the bottle. I cover with some bird seed bags to keep sleet and freeze off them. so far great.