Jay Frenier

This is like researching what "sweet water" truly means in our age. What these words refer to is changing. It may be necessary to make alternate words for specific materials for specific uses.

As for dog having to be introduced to the herd as a puppy so they think the herd is their pack:

I've found this unnecessary. I do believe that if you do this, there is no training needed as they do grow up naturally protecting their pack. BUT I had a Rottweiler that was born into a pack of 9 adult dogs. I then moved to Haiti with this dog and became a farm manager there. The goat herd was in most need of protection. I wasn't going to try to train my dog to protect the animals because I had heard they needed to be raised with the animals they were to protect. But I did want her to help me herd and not want to kill the goats. Well, through AI we had 33 kids all at once. My dog, fixed and never had puppies, assumed each kid as her own pup. She cleaned them, followed them around, protected them. It took some time, but she eventually started protecting the adults as well. She also helped nurture the orphans we had. There were many stages to this development but that's the gist.

Ha! I guess I should say judge fairly then.

I understand the many naysayers. I have to say though, there would be no one to prove wrong without them. I think I've learned more by doing the opposite of what I was taught or told than vice versa.

Next time anyone is near the big rocks or hits any bedrock please take a picture!

Paul, I'll let you know when we have designs together to see what you think. I designed a live-in walipini while at Greenway Farm in Kingston, MA. Never made it cause I was putting my time into a 3 story hugel mound with multiple 1 story mounds surround it for microclimates. I'll probably be using some of this design in the process. That one was based on basically an Anagama kiln-centered walipini.

I think you should fully expect me to be evil, greedy and an overall monster who will leave you out in the cold.  Start there.     The odd thing is that for every evil, greedy monster that will leave you in the cold, there is one person in 20,000 that thinks that same person is not just okay, but pretty fucking cool.  

So, I wish for most people to be utterly certain that I am an evil, greedy monster that will leave you in the cold and those people will go elsewhere.   The bootcamp program is for people that think I might be tolerable.  The boots-to-roots stuff is just for the people that think I am fucking awesome.

It sounds like you don't know much about me, so I strongly discourage you from being involved in this program.


Ok, I admit to playing a slight devil's advocate here. Seems to bring out what I seek and those are core beliefs. Technically, I'm one of the those that think you're awesome. If anyone is considering permaculture my research list consists of these names (in no particular order):
Sepp Holtzer
Paul Stamets
Paul Wheaton

Everyone seeking this lifestyle I think wants a few things. Two of those being freedom and security. You also want these things. The ability to terminate contract at any time gives you and the ant freedom. It just doesn't necessarily provide security. Some of us inderstand that if you prove yourself a needed asset, that is security.
I hope you don't judge me for my questions and push me away from the program if I do choose to come out in the future. I'm sure you wouldn't push a helping hand away at least.

I have only a couple other questions if you don't mind?

Is there a location on your land where stone can be quarried? Large stone, that would have to be cut. If so, what kind of stone is it? What is the bedrock made of in that area? "Made by One Man" (Scott), myself, and a couple others are seeking land where we can demonstrate how the Coral Castle was built by Edward Leedskalnin. Scott has Ed's cutting/quarrying apparatus down pat. His buddy has electrical stuff done. I have magnetics and resonance and moving and stacking of large stone under my belt.
Would you be opposed to a large stone structure being built there? One that could be covered by earth and made into a wofati or wallapini?

I thought you meant in this forum. Yes, I have been all through the site over the past many years. This is my first time posting (probably my last) but I have been following Paul for quite a long time now. I'll quit asking questions as no one really tried to answer them. Good luck on the village and boot camp and all. Love. Peace.

Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?

Where are these videos in this post you speak of?

Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?

As I understand this is verbal so far or have all arrived? Nothing is for certain until the "boots are on the ground". I guess my questions should be directed to someone more personal than a discussion forum. And yes, I read this entire discussion forum. I have not seen the videos yet.

Hey guys and gals, I'm curious as to how well the program is filling up. I've tried to amass a small community of workers of like minds to do something very similar. I've found that the biggest deterrent is land ownership. You have obviously taken care of that part (and I would hope that you give more than just a verbal agreement for this), but suppose someone does the numbers in their head and decides that all the work they provide isn't worth 1 single acre? I'm honestly curious as I have been a farm manager in Haiti for 3 years and also WWOOFed around the NE for 2 years now. I was basically WWOOFing before that before I knew of that organization. I've built up peoples' lands, farms, homes, businesses, customers, etc. But I've found the greed of owners too much and expectations way too high, while they are never willing to do something even remotely similar to what they expect you to do. So, what makes your place, in a very cold area of the country, worth it all? This is coming from someone who doesn't walk away from a very shitty experience before at least a year has passed so I can feel I had stamina and perseverance and gave it a go. Been burned, sounds wonderful, but still sounds the same as many places I helped build only to be left out in the cold.