Niels van Wensen

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My name is Niels, and I'm interested in becoming semi-self sufficient.
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THE BEES! NOT THE BEES!

But actually, yes please, the bees They arrived Sunday last week!

I tried attaching a video, but unfortunately that's not allowed. They can be found on Instagram under "thebeetologist" soon enough.
9 months ago

Erik Ven wrote:Niels,
While I agree with the previous comment for the most part, I would like to point out something that in my opinion has to come before that. You mentioned self-sufficiency. Here in the US (maybe other places too) it is understood as individual self-sufficiency. And yes, I guess technically it is not impossible but requires 100% of your time being solely dedicated to mere survival, not letting any time to enjoy some of the other aspects there are to life on this planet. Not to mention that even then you are straddling the line between survival and not.
So what you have to decide first is how you want to do it.



Thanks Erik!

I think what I truly want is partial self-sufficiency (those 2 words kind of contradict...). I'd like a large proportion of my vegetables, honey, eggs produced on my own land (don't eat meat, so that cuts out that issue). Get most of my power/water from renewable/natural sources.

I'd then like to have a B&B of sorts for some cash, needed for insurances/tax/property maintenance/the odd holiday/wine/filling the gap where the above can't provide. I also currently still have a partially remote job for which I am certain I can convince the boss to let me keep it part time/fully remote if it is still needed (though I'd rather not! ).
11 months ago

Jim Fry wrote:Certainly, everything everyone has mentioned is important. Learn as many skills as you can, gather needed future tools, acquire knowledge, practice, practice, practice. Do all of that. Get as ready as you can for your new future life. It'll all make the doing easier.

But, once you get your land, or perhaps even better, before you acquire a particular property, ask the land what it wants. Does the land itself want to have happen what you are planning to do to it? Do the Nature Spirits and Faires and trees and plants want what you want? Consider if what you bring to a piece of soil will make it happy, just as you hope that earth will make you happy?



So I only just read this comment, and I am sorry it took me so long, because this is beautiful. When I was younger I would just walk in complete silence around the nature reserves with no goal or need. It was beautiful. Sometimes I do feel I have lost this.

Thank you. I will get back into this habit.
11 months ago
It's only been a few months since I've been on here, and even longer since this thread...

Lots happening, a potential for a property plus a piece of land fell through (the seller didn't want a structural engineer to look at it because it "would take too long for the sale to go through"). But that same day I found an apartment nearby, that will allow me to get financially more stable and work towards bigger and better in the coming few years.

So in line with "getting started before I got started", I have decided to start keeping bees! Started reading into it last September, bought the hives 2 weeks ago and prepped them. End of March the first colony will be delivered by a guy from the local association I joined. All in all I am beyond excited!


11 months ago
Thank you all so much for all the great responses! I'll respond to them all to keep it a bit tidier.

In general:

Yes, I am looking to keep it within a 5km (3.11 miles) range.
Reading through the comments, perhaps an approach with lower regular demands for maintenance, such as a food forest or orchard isn't a bad idea and the latter can potentially provide income in time.


Jay Angler wrote:  simple trailers, some which are home-built/upcycled


I am indeed thinking of making use of a bike trailer in that case! Cheaper to run and, provided I don't go overly big good for transporting tools.

Jay Angler wrote:  I'd say the key issue is whether or not family is on-board.


In this case I am lucky that none of my family would need to move with me, although at least some of them would be glad to pop over to help out with the initial set up/move, and the odd week away to enjoy the countryside.
Although quite remote, as agricultural theft is on the up anyway it's still something to keep in mind, now you mention it.

Jay Angler wrote: Is there no minimal size on that prohibition?


There's areas where there is no wiggle room at all unfortunately, however at the same time France is Southern enough to be a bit flexible. Provided you become friendly with the local Maire.
In the mean time, as you said without attracting too much attention, I was thinking to perhaps build a storage similar to a root cellar. Provided it can be obscured from the road until I am friendly with said Maire.

Mk Neal wrote: I used to have many clients who had been subsistence farmers.


I guess that would be similar to an allotment, so that would make sense.


Abraham Palma wrote:Hello, Niels,

I relate to the same eco-anxiety. But I take a different approach. My take is that staple crops require too much an investment, wish you have potatoes, wheat or whatever that fills the belly, it needs heavy equipment if you want it to be profitable.

If you remove staple food from the equation, then you don't need so much land. Maybe a middle sized house with a large backyard is enough. A friend has a small orchard and his market garden in a 250m2 property, the backyard being 100 m2 approximately. He also has a few laying hens. His production is rather low, he is not allowed to use irrigation from the well (cause the draught) and he didn't take any step for rainwater harvesting or graywater use. Had he that extra water and more time, I'd say he could feed eggs and vegs to his family for half of the year.

That said, if you really want to take the farming route, then I'd say that my family had been growing crops in a land that was 10 km away from the appartment, my grandfather and uncles commuted daily to work on the fields, mostly in their cars, but also by bus. Theft was always a concern, but being there every day helped. Guard dogs also helped. They had to park the tractor inside the tool shed every day. And they made a life like that, so it was feasible. The real problem was selling the product. Big distributors like Carrefour pay too low and demands quantity and timing, and co-ops, while paying better, sometimes weren't able to sell everything.
But if you want farm animals, then you really need to live nearby.



I like this view of things a lot. A different, viable and perhaps to start off with better approach.

Keeping chickens shouldn't be too much of a problem. Anything under 250 chickens is a municipality issue, so it depends on where I would end up before I can find exact numbers. From what I've found in the last while up to 50 chickens shouldn't be an issue. Which is way more than I was contemplating anyway!

There are properties with around 2/3 of an acre, at which point a no dig approach could provide a decent amount of food.



All in all these messages are still encouraging whilst also providing an excellent different view of things which does make everything somewhat more viable I believe.

Thank you, thank you!
1 year ago
Hello all!

So slowly but steadily (or perhaps more rapidly than in my previous 20 years of awareness of this issue) I am getting more and more worried about this world. Between the chance of the world heating up beyond the 1.5c in the next 4 years and the fairly serious droughts here in NW Europe, I am more actively looking at land to buy to start partially living off/with.

As I would like to remain here (all friends and family live within 10h travel (depending on the mode of transport )), my chances of buying land (2-4 acres) and a renovation project/property together is going to be tough financially, but buying the 2 separately but close together is much more feasible, I was wondering whether this is also feasible from a practical point of view.

Most of the land I can acquire where I would like, when it's zoned as agricultural land, means I can't build anything on it. That includes a shed for storage of needed equipment. I would have a vehicle with trailer to transport between the actual property and the land. I know (some) large scale farmers of course have to drive larger distances than I would have to, but they also have larger equipment.

Would it be truly feasible for me to have a property in 1 place, and a piece of agricultural land a couple of km down the road?

Thanks!
1 year ago
I love this whole thread!

I also love the connection with the land and its spirits, and the respect that comes with it. A healthier way to look at it all I would say.
1 year ago

Almond Thompson wrote:Look what I found as well!!



This one looks fun! Guess what I'll be doing on my weekend walk...
1 year ago