some of my latest observations and the last of my comments as its done now , the stove is performing very well , and my only regret as it is ---i did not find out about them a long time ago and that i had to take almost 3 years to get one ----when i think of all the timber and turf i have burnt over the past and how much effort that all took to gather and process ---to waste so much of it in the old style stoves ---and even more so ---to have been stuck in a way of thinking about solid fuel heating and how a stove should be made ---yes i was able to gather up a lot of the materials to build my old steel range s and stoves and able to weld them ---so the costs might seem lower ---compared to the approx 2000.00 euro i have spent on building my new stove. But factor in all the wasted effort ,work and fuel alone those took ----- i don t want to try and figure out the money cost to add on to this. Then considering how much used to cook on electric for 80/90% of time and the stoves bought and used up ---most of which could never be repaired more than twice in their lifespans ---i have been through at least 5 ---yes i was able to wire up my own connections ,replace cooker rings and stove elements---the odd switch/dial --but mine were cheap and nasty old things ---even so spares cost and get harder to source as time and tech move on---then from first reading about a stove built from masonry/rocks/stone in a fine homebuilding publication years ago---to wanting one of those expensive top end ranges with the enamel finish --yes they do look nice --- but way out of reach for my pocket----well thats all behind me now ---as i was shown how to build what i needed --at my own pace --to be able to space out the costs --no loans or credit involved---no really impossible to source parts ---and nothing i cant fix myself---but mostly i was shown how to adjust and change my way of thinking ----and all the help and guidance given for free ---thankyou to all of you out there on the forum and to be able to use this permies site ----all comments were helpful in advice from practical and experienced to just encouragement---so thats it ---another big thankyou ----hope some out there is starting on a stove ----tony