BoBo Jones

hey glenn , been a while . hope you and yours are good .
anyway trials and tribulations happening with the greenhouse. whole thing is on pause. but in the mean time ive been making myself a heated bench and having a lot of fun doing it.  im sure you would be shaking your head at my highjinks . but im just having fun with it. making mistakes and fixing them. ive kinda tring to do it different . build it my own way. the more fails i make and fix the more it starts looking like the standard mass heater. lol . truth is im just enjoying working it out for myself. well i could go on . but a picture is better then a few words . so i made a video of me building it. thought you may enjoy a look see.

sorry i havent posted . the whole greenhouse build is paused . i have got the houseing association involved . ive been waiting nearly a month for them to come and talk to me about greenhouses. i realy cant build untill we have this sorted out. i have to say im a little irritated at how slow there responce. but once its all sorted . ill be back to buiding.

i cant aford clear corigated plastic sheet or the stuff that comes with it. i just plan for the two tarps for now.later ill put a plastic top on , when i can aford it . for now im just trying to make it cheap.
i came to a realization last night . none of this will work in the long run. my point is now matter how i collet it past the bags. the tarp wi;; always leak.leak as in water runs down the underside of the tarp. so its all good till the second tarp starts to leak.then ill have water running down the underside of the bottem tarp. i have to plan for the long run i have no idea when i will have the money to re roof it. so i fidure i may as well plan to stop the water before the bag. maybe poke a few holes in the tarp in the right places to let water drop through . maybe an inside gutter/drain. not sure with these bags if i could get a desent drop along the lowest edge to get the water flowing to a corner.
thinking now. i could let the water past the bags if that is the best plan. but i will have to make something to collect the future water that will run down the underside.
i think i may revisit an older plan i had. i have to cover the bags between the tarps from the sun. i had planned to do this with exspandable foam. spray it around the edge and it should cover it. but the foam will also seal from water , im think. then have a gutter for the top and the bottem tarps underneath each. if i make it so the water drops through the tarp.once the tarp starts leaking, it wont be a bother . the gutter will collect above and below.

i was like wtf , this guy has a green house 8 feet long , but two feet wide. i stopped there trying to think how a two foot wide greenhouse works lol. thanks for the tip . im told ive been touched by the dislexic fairy.
so thats 16feet by 16feet or you mean there is 16 square feet volume. i make it just shy of 5 meter square. 25sq/m of floor space. but im guessing you get a fair layer of snow on top, to need so i guess you need the beems just over a meter apart. you wouldnt notice and sagging from the tarps weight on its self stretching it. this is what i was getting at. i was worried that a 5 meter stretch would be too much to exspect it to hold its self up. i was in two minds about nailing the tarps down . but i think now that i will . maybe put some mastic or silicone over the wholes. i was worried about humps in the tarp that the water couldnt rollover. ether way im going to have to deal with water at the low end of the tarp. no way to rig it otherwise.
"The water can be collected by splitting a plastic pipe lengthwise and snapping it over the edge" . the edge of what presicly. so i got a bag/tarp sandwich and the water will collect where bag meets tarp. my idea was to lay a channel between the bags, but above the tarp. these channels between the bags will run to the outside edge of the bag.then i build a gutter below that to collect it that runs the length of the wall to the drain. if i make it with the gutter below both tarps i can do the same with the bottem tarp for when the top one starts letting in water.for sure i would like to put a propper roof on . but later once ive saved up for it.
right now i have 8 lengths of wood, long enough that if i butt two length wise they should work, i have one 5 meter length of scafolding pole, and a couple of bent branchs , oh and one bent tree. anything else need to be found or payed for. ive payed *tools not included* around £47 on the tarps and £17 on the bags so far , everything else has been scavenged or ive hand it laying around. i have stuff saved in the shed, but its mostly for the inside. i have a hose pipe i plan to use to let the water past the bags and one bit of gutter i plan to use someplace.
but right now is all about building the walls and planning the roof. the moment i put a roof on i need to have someplace for the water to go. so a drain , then a place to hold the water till i need it for the plants. then i can pause. right now i cant stop time is against me. first of all i want it by winter in a somewhat working manner. plus i realy would like to get the heating system in before the colder weather hits. i know im down deep . but i have no idea how warm the ground will make it.

happy you are still here matey . i would hate to think im danceing round the garden takeing pictures of a hole for a guy i dont know and have never met on the internet. kinda sounds dirty when i say it like that ha ha ha .
so i was thinking tarp . then the corner where it meetsbag . plastic gutter layed on the tarp and sealed to the tarp with mastic or silicon . it works so long as the tarp stays still. constent motion i figure would damage the seal. this is why i move the idea down a peg in my mind and moved letting it through and collecting it on the other side. see i have a lot of pure clay , the grey stuff so its good and i have 4 bags of cement. i figure if i lay some pipes between the bags . the bags will seal up around the pipes and if not . no matter to put a bit of sealent around the pipes. then have the pipes drop into or have the tarp poke out the other side. then i have an edge they i can put a gutter up against.
remember even though i exsprct it to be dry between the tarp . at some point the top tarp will start letting in water and when that happens the the bottem tarp takes over and has to convay water away as well. so i like the pipe idea COZZ it lets me drop both tarp water into the same gutter.
as for material . if it was before the bags . it would have to be plastic. but letting water past means i could possable make the gutter out of clay and a touch of cement. i would welcome a 3rd idea if there is one that isnt going to cost me the earth or have me off on a tresure hunt.lol
also i just thought . with the gutter outside the bags means i can get a constent drop with the gutter. i was worring how to get the water to run if that side wall is level.
my knightmare right now . it that it comes time to put the tarps on and they get damaged doing it . i realy can barely aford to replace them after the tools ive had to buy. if you ever get back to civilisation again dillion and you can get a connection that lets you watch youtube . its all there to watch and catch up on. not that im plugging my chanel . but in this case i feel it worth mentioning in your case. i do a daily progress kinda thing. you could catch up on it all. if you know how i would send you a file of it . these pictures dont realy do it justice like a moving picture does.

you used the same or simular material for your roof ? what size was it and over time did you notice the roof sag more ? cozz im thinking i could do it with out roof beams . but over time it would stretch and sag.
as for the gutter. the roof has no defining edge like it would up against a lenght of wood. its being held in place by the wieght of the bags on top of it. so it has to pass between two bags. there are only two designs . i ether stop the water before/at the bags . or i make it so the water flows through gaps in the bags and then collect it the other side. maybe a few small pipes to let the water flow past the bags. then i have the edge of the tarp to put up against the gutter. thig is i have to make the right choise cozz once ive put the bottem tarp on and then the top tarp, it will be sealed forever on till its changed for a better roof. so once i get the roof on . modifacation will be hard to do . ill be finishing the 3 layer bags and on to the fourth soon. i wont need to deside till i get a few more layers of bags up . its one of the benefits of such slow progress is that i have plenty of time to plan these things , before i  need to impliment said idea.
happy to get those roof sheets . they are old , but solid for the most part and will do the job of covering the top of the bags from light and added bonus . i dont have to seal the bags water tight between them.
ive got ideas outlined all over this build that i could be talking about , but they are all ideas that dont need to come up time later . but believe me , i spend a lot of time sitting in my garden just thinking about this all. all this digging is just the hard work needed to get to the fun stuff , the building thats going on inside the greenhouse.how can i talk about heater and water contailers when i havent even got a roof on.that and i have glenn and the rocket heater forum part ear makerd for the inside planning.

dillion . ill try and take some more pics today for you.

The specific error message is: "cozz" is a silly English abbreviation; use "because" instead. im sure someone finds the way you talk somewhat silly , ill sound silly to somebody out there. why does it not pull me up on tarp . its a silly abbreviation only used to shorten a word we know anyway. so i cant use the word cozz , maybe cozz its not a real word. well none of these words were real words till they were first used. just saying we type like we talk and its how i talk with a cozz .

ive got a roof for my earth bag wall . builder up the street was throwing away some corrigated roof sheeting. its like a man made slate molded into corrigated sheets. its old and beaten up . brittle as hell . but i have plenty enough for what i need and then some. so that problem is off my problem list . so its about time to sort out what the next problem is to solve and a few beyond there. some ideas that im still desiding and some engineering behind some of my thoughts. realy this vid is my team is reavaluating priorities and discussing ideas . when im a team of one lol . well look its a bit long . but it took that long to talk about all the different ways i can think of to sort out in what manner and shape im going to build.

ill pop up some photos for dillion. sorry matey . if i were to type everything i talked about , i would be here all night typeing. nut shell , stripped down and the v short version. i talk about what manner the beems will be to suport the tarps. why and how . should i join the tarps to the beems. what manner should i make the tarps and the bags join in order to capture the rain and have it run off where i want it to. still here are some picture so far and all are welcome to ask questions and give ideas.

and for dillion . i say for dillion , dillion is the reason . but i figure if there is a dillion out there , then there are proberbly a few dillions out there, just like him/you. so there is another reason.

so dillion . at great effort to myself . i lifted the mud out of the hole . my wheel barrow inner tube is dead beyond reasonable repare . so i cant wheel it into place . so i had to lift it into place. hell of a workout for my upper sholders . so tiered by the end of it . so anyway . i packed the mud up against the second layer of bags. then i made up a lot of mud slip and poured it all all over it , but mostly down the slope. i hope it helps fix the mud in place as it gets higher.  thats about it . does not sound like a lot . but a hell of a lot of digging made to look short. i plan to do some more bagging today to tidy up the ends and then on with the 3rd layer.  if i remember ill take a couple of pick and add them later .

hanns , my man . i think i have copied what you did with the vid . if i havent , drop me a word how you did it please .

ill get a couple of pics for you , to help the imagination of the words. so i dug a lot of mud out of the hole and put it to one side kinda . then im getting it wet . like making concrete , but more solid and not slushs . just enough so the mud can move and squish , but not sloppy so it sticks to the spade , in my case the hoe. helps a lot right now that we are getting rain. next month there may  not be so much water around. but i have a large barrel and a wheelie bin full of water for the drier times. fall back is getting water from the kitchin.
its all hard labour right now dillion . fill the hole by breaking the sides down , empty the hole , ether bag or mud up the inside of the wall and then repeat. ive left the lower side of the greenhouse wall so far . its only gonna be 3 bags min and 4 max haigh. its looking like the highest part may be 6 to 8 bags high. i did some humble maths and figured that if i were to double bag the wall with two layers of bags as i wanted , but i dont have enough bags . i think ill be buying more boxs of bags before i finish bagging. right now im just trying to keep everything simple and un complicated . when designing its easy to fall prey to over coming problems with complexity. so itll be bags , mud , bags ,mud , untill we end up at tarp. i got a new camera to film with so ive over looked the pictures some what .truth is dillion , it dont look much different to  my last picture , only there is a second layer of bags. not terribly exsiteing.
im still wresling witht he problem of covering the bags between the tarps and covering the bags on top. but itll be a while before i get there at my speed. i think there comes a time between planning and building where enough is in place and if i dont start ill just be stuck in the planning till i find an awnser for everything. so screw it . i deal with the problems as they come.
hope that helped dillion ,

thank you hans. chears for that fella.