Last 3-4 yrs around this time my apple trees start getting spots on the leaves and then they start falling in a couple weeks. I don't get many apples and the few I get have spots and are not healthy. I think i narrowed it down to cedar rust because of the galls that turn orange from the neighboring cedar trees. I tried a fungicide with mancozeb and bonide copper fungicide the last 2 yrs to know avail. I will post some leaf pics from this year. Any help would be appreciated..thanks tom