James Rod

Trace and John - which varieties of American Persimmon did you plant that reportedly are working for you?  Are they fruiting?  And if so how many years did it take for them to fruit?

Meader sprouted some leaves 1st year but no substantial growth (similar to other sensitive trees 1st year sleep, then creep, then leap blabla)...

Maybe due to sensitivity of transplant or stress or a standard zone 4 winter but the whole meader died back to the rootstock which was general American persimmon graft I believe (ordered from OneGreenWorld)... I have 2 huge sprouts coming off the rootstock about 2ft tall right now but I'm assuming will die back to root stock again next spring and just keep repeating.

If it dies back again I'm going to replace it with a hardy pear, if it somehow survives this year due to robust growth from rootstock I may keep it but not holding my breath.

Anyone have any experience growing these in zone 4? Is it true
that buds die over winter if -20For below for these even if the trees are hardy to zone4?

Trying to determine if bending down branches and covering with snow is a must or not to ensure some buds survive with insulation... too many mixed signals online.

Also does anyone have experience with reliance peach trees? Half sources I see online say self fertile and other half say a 2nd cultivar is needed to get fruit. Would be great to get first hand experience to clarify.

Just mound up! Roots need air and won't get that in dense clay... Worked for me all fruit trees thriving over super dense clay in mounds.
   is an Ellen white example in case anyone's curious

I agree with most.. don't dig into clay... Mound up and plant  in the mound, will eventually get itself further into the clay over time without suffocation shock when/if wet.

Hey all, curious about American persimmon stories in zone 4 or particularly MN or nearby... It seems the super Hardy variety, Meader is very small in size and anything larger with better reviews it's a mixed bag if it says online hardy to zone 4 or 5... There's also a ton of varieties!! Curious if anyone has had any success or stories to share (good or bad) about growing American Persimmons in zone 4, particularly Yates Prok prairie sun or prairie star (claypool) varieties. Are they Really Hardy to zone 4?

Follow up in case anyone else has problems like this... These plants rebounded like crazy and are now over 2x the mature height from 1st year transplant... Fingers crossed for what happens this winter!

My guess is aronia/chokeberry

Don't know of any specific mycelium outside mycorrhizae liquid solution which I applied to my aronias... In my experience topsoil+compost+manure+wood chips (layered in that order) and the liquid solution is a recipe that resulted in great growth and a ton of natural white mycelium on its own after solid rainfall. Cheers to growing this great plant!!

Hey all first timer here hoping to shed light from the clan knowledge base here!

I purchased 6 goumi berry bushes online to get 2 diff varieties.  The site I got it from stated these are hardy to zone 4 which is where I am (Minneapolis Metro/Burbs). I noticed all top growth, looks like likely not covered by snow didn't grow back, but bushes are profusely regrowing near soil line and already about half size of last year...

Researching online with the very little info available I'm getting mixed signals... There are maybe 20% of sources that all seem to reference verbatim each other that states the plant will die back below 20 degrees C or single digits F but roots are heardy to much less... Then the other 80% of sites state zone 4 hardy to -25F.. seems I experienced the first reference info ..

Anyone else try Goumis in zone 4 and mind sharing your experience?? Was this just a symptom of 1st year growth from a gardening center with warmer weather and the plants are just getting acclimated to my area and be more hardy moving forward, or should I expect this die back every year?

Wanted these for edible privacy hedge.. and if they just keep dying and regrowing from base each year it won't accomplish what I'm after and might consider replacing with autumn olive which seem less palatable but more hardy to cooler temps...

Also with the marketing of zone 4... Am I just misunderstanding that concept? I would have thought hardy to a zone means plant will continue to regrow on old growth within that zone (like all my other zone 4 items like fruit trees etc), not just that roots survive and the thing keeps dying back and regrow from roots each year.. if I was misinformed and this is what it is it will speed my decision to replace.

Hoping some other people out there have some insight to share!!