Mich Segs

Stacy Witscher wrote:Mich - All I can say is that I'm grateful that the vast amount of Americans disagree with you. And it seems very odd to be pointing to mansions and professional careers as a measure of success on a permaculture site. I think most of us measure success in life very differently than that. Good luck with your endeavors.

There is nothing wrong with regular people making good. The problem imo is globalization, lack of governance that reflects what the people want, exceeding corruption and cronie government and corporations destroying everything for outrageous level greed. Yes a lot of people disagree with that. A lot of people are hypnotized and asleep. At least you're greatful about something even of its something mean.

Stacy Witscher wrote: My children were thrilled when we got divorced. I was happier. There was less drama with him gone. He was never there for them anyway so they didn't miss him.
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My friend's parent's marriage was arranged. I was raised believing that's wrong. But they are a sweet couple and very old and still very together. In the beginning, they acted out of duty and later, love. Shocking, right? When they came to this country, he worked as a machinist at night and med school at day (no sleep) with her at home taking care of their little daughter. If they had been raised with American marriage values they would have never made it because, "we never go on date night anymore".  What a mistake. People, both men and women are not good partners to their spouses and they dont even realize it. Truth is: Marriage is not about you, its about the much bigger picture of family and society. Families are the foundation of society. Social ills run parallel to the break down of American family values. My friend's parents live a golden life now, 3 top notch professional kids, retired living in 2 mansions seasonally and very much in love sharing the memories of a lifetime together.

John Wibel wrote:

That’s nice… stay in an abusive relationship to stay married.  

You dont have to stay married. But many people do get divorced due to problems, get married to someone new and have guess what? They have problems again. Ok get divorced. Third times a charm right? Meanwhile fractured home economy, family with various step parents, half siblings and at the end youre still single. Life isnt easy. Bumps in the road happen. Sometimes the road explodes. In the 1960s people decided they would "do what they want" and not be like their miserable parents. But tradition was protecting their parents not making them miserable. What makes people in the material world miserable is this simple truth: life is a bitch and then you die. (And I mean that from a Dharma standpoint.) The above is not the case for everyone obviously, but a lot of people. How to be a good partner for a future spouse is something Americans no longer teach our children either through example or communication.

Escaped...I mean, relocated after 6 years in California. Instead of staying at a hotel, I thought Id post to see if anyone might have a room to rent on a temporary basis while I look for my own place. New, interested in permaculture. Its myself, one older dog, one mellow cat. Old school values, reciprocal.

How to be a good partner to a spouse is something better learned when we're young. If that wisdom is thrown away, or we dont learn it until later...later is, well, possibly better than never.

Someone once told me the fail safe secret to not getting divorced: The secret to not getting divorced is staying married.

Anyhoo.

I'll be 50 in a few days. Im in NC looking for land. Your welcome to introduce yourself if you're so inclined.