Lonicera McCoy

Hey, good to see another permie in the Tri-Cities!  A big part of permaculture is not just gardening but educating those we live with.  My husband would probably have nothing but lawn grass if it was only up to him.  We're on a city lot in West Pasco.  Best of luck to you in your ventures.

Hi Troy, it's good to see that permaculture has reached deilig Danmark. 

I think when people sing and dance together, it builds a sense of community.  An example of that would be church congregations singing. 
I got a sense of this once at a party put on by my sons' pipe and drum band.  They're in a performance band but at this party we did some Scottish folk dancing.  It was fun, a mix of people of varying skill levels, but what struck me was that before this, I considered the people at the party to be acquaintances.  After that, when I saw them again, they were more like friends and I felt much more familiar with them.

I'd like to explore the role of song and dance in permaculture.  Permaculture started out as sustainable agriculture but grew to encompass society as a whole, from establishing a sense of community to local currencies.  Among our human needs, food is certainly a biggie but as I see it permaculture has expanded to embrace other needs as well.  This is where song and dance come in.  To my knowledge, all indiginous cultures incorporate them into their lives.  This leads me to believe that singing and dancing are also needs, perhaps spiritual ones.  Before the petroleum age really got underway, singing and dancing were part of people's lives.  Now this is relegated to highly skilled (or at least highly paid) performance artists and the rest of us have become passive spectators.  As an aside, I was reading to my son a book about the Wright brothers and was surprised to find that often after a hard day of flying their airplane/glider at Kitty Hawk they got together at night with other men and sang, played the banjo and harmonica.  So perhaps part of our descent into a postpetroleum age would be to bring back singing and dancing into everyday life, something that everyone does, whether they're good at it or not.  Any thoughts?

Anybody from Denmark here?  I used to work in Denmark in a chrysanthemum nursery, and was wondering if much in the way of permaculture was going on there.

it will actually kill you if you drink too much of it.  The fancy term for that condition is hyponatremia.

OK, I see what you mean.  I just take things too literally. 

I recommend we add social lounge as a new forum.  Currently there's a social lounge under singles, but I would just like to talk to people like me, without the whole singles connotation.

Per my microbiology class, urine is not sterile.  Perhaps it is sterile in the bladder but the urethra is home to a bacterial community.  In fact, the physical act of urine flushing out the urethra is part of what keeps us from having urinary tract infections due to bacterial overgrowth there.  The urine takes bacteria with it when it leaves the body. 

The bacteria are not necessarily a bad thing, even.  We actually have 10 times more bacterial cells in/on our bodies than we have human cells, creating our very own ecosystem.  Usually the bacteria do not harm us and sometimes even help us.  However, disruptions in that ecosystem can cause an imbalance in which formerly harmless bacteria become pathogenic.

regarding tautology, it is an informal fallacy but not a formal fallacy.  In a formal fallacy, the conclusion of the argument does not follow from the premises.  It is an incorrectly formed argument where even if the premises and conclusion are true, the conclusion is not guaranteed by the premises.  As an informal fallacy tautology assumes something is a given when it actually needs to be proven.  Sometimes it is called circular logic, because some variation of the conclusion appears in one of the premises.