Nathan Klark

Jules Silverlock wrote:

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https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2002-Willick-Rd-Gaylord-MI-49735/106571565_zpid/
Here’s one example of such a property. Consider UP Michigan though, it’s much much better. Buy more land for less than 1K per acre and you are set.

Nathan Klark wrote:

Paul Pittman wrote:Hello!  Long time lurker, 1st time

I've found prices going anywhere from $3,500/acre for a property w/ a 3br, 2 bath manufactured home, pond, mix of pasture/woods, to a piece of property that works out to $6,800/acre with no house, but a decent looking pole barn (almost twice as expensive/acre).  I'm still a few years away from pulling the trigger on the purchase, but for purposes of trying to budget/compare property prices, is $4,500-$5,000/acre a reasonable range?  
Many thanks!

What I’d reccomend most is getting really cheap 1K per acre land by having a big 100 acre or 300 acre piece of land with nothing on it dubdivided into however many acres you want. Often these are in remote locations, ensure that you will have some wild forestry surrounding you for a while., and the real estate agents have such a hard time selling these large swaths of land that they usually go really cheap per acre, and if you tell them you are ready to cover the fees for the subdivision and use an escrow to hold the cash to show you are ready to buy until the process is done, they are sure to give it to you.
This way you can easily get 10 acres for 10K, good quality land, in the middle of nowhere.

The reasons most people don’t do this is because… welll… knowledge, but mainly paperwork for those that do. It’s definitely worth it and quite a lot of people have done it.

Note: Watch the rural zoning laws in the area you move to because that will dictate the minimum acres per residential building you have. In other words, the minimum acres you need to buy. Ask AI to figure out on a property by property basis and then double check with local authorities.

In general though I’d say 1-2 K is acceptable if it is remote. 2-3 if middle, and 3-4 if it’s a little closer. I’d reccomend not to go over 4K per acre unless you want to be close or have special great land that costs extra or are loaded

Paul Pittman wrote:Hello!  Long time lurker, 1st time

I've found prices going anywhere from $3,500/acre for a property w/ a 3br, 2 bath manufactured home, pond, mix of pasture/woods, to a piece of property that works out to $6,800/acre with no house, but a decent looking pole barn (almost twice as expensive/acre).  I'm still a few years away from pulling the trigger on the purchase, but for purposes of trying to budget/compare property prices, is $4,500-$5,000/acre a reasonable range?  
Many thanks!

What I’d reccomend most is getting really cheap 1K per acre land by having a big 100 acre or 300 acre piece of land with nothing on it dubdivided into however many acres you want. Often these are in remote locations, ensure that you will have some wild forestry surrounding you for a while., and the real estate agents have such a hard time selling these large swaths of land that they usually go really cheap per acre, and if you tell them you are ready to cover the fees for the subdivision and use an escrow to hold the cash to show you are ready to buy until the process is done, they are sure to give it to you.
This way you can easily get 10 acres for 10K, good quality land, in the middle of nowhere.

The reasons most people don’t do this is because… welll… knowledge, but mainly paperwork for those that do. It’s definitely worth it and quite a lot of people have done it.

Note: Watch the rural zoning laws in the area you move to because that will dictate the minimum acres per residential building you have. In other words, the minimum acres you need to buy. Ask AI to figure out on a property by property basis and then double check with local authorities.

In general though I’d say 1-2 K is acceptable if it is remote. 2-3 if middle, and 3-4 if it’s a little closer. I’d reccomend not to go over 4K per acre unless you want to be close or have special great land that costs extra or are loaded

Riona Abhainn wrote:Something I like about this is that this involves sharing and connection without the chalenging entanglements of co-owning land.  Like creating a village.

Yea, that’s kind of the idea. I don’t want to have problems a generation later, since all people grow apart at some point, even if it takes a few generations. I have to assume it won’t last forever or will change a lot over the generations. So I don’t want it to fall apart bad. Instead, people would likely profit in the end form taking this rural land, reasoning it, and making a micro economy with good land, 50Xing the cost of their originally bought property.

J Katrak wrote:Anyone?

https://www.carlsfriends.net/

I always meant to get some but never did. Anyone try this?

edit^
It's mentioned in here too,
https://permies.com/t/40/30871/Sourdough-bread

That indeed is very useful. So it can be cooled indefinitely as long as the lid is mostly airtight and at room temp a true or below, just takes longer to wake

J Katrak wrote:

Nathan Klark wrote:I tried making sourdough do trite first time, not really in to cooking or baking but when I saw the health benefits I had to try it. I think I put too much water and not enough flour throughout the process, but the starter was definitely suuuuper alive. Anyway, here’s the picture. It was super dense, but also su[er yummy, so I only got to take a picture after eating more than half of it. You’ll see how dense it is, and how unlike a Swiss cheese it is. Super tasty with elderflower jam though (self made).

I have 10X the starter left over, don’t worry, I’ll make some great sourdough before the semester starts again!

You'll get it how you want it. Looks like maybe you started out all whole wheat. Not the easiest place to start but go for the gold!

I'm like that too. Make sure to try different flours. Preferably any local ones you can.

It's always tasty no matter the results. That and how long it lasts are my favorite parts for sure.

Keep us posted!

Yea, you are right. For the starter I used all whole wheat and when I made the actual bulk fermentation however I used mostly (only) normal white flour. I was told whole wheat makes the fermentation far quicker and more explosive, which it did, but that normal white flour makes the dough easier to rise in the oven and so on…. So next time I probably just need to get the flour to water ratio better

Kate Downham wrote:Starters improve over time, so don’t be dismayed if your starter doesn’t make great bread to begin with. The best breads will come when you’ve been feeding your starter every day for 2+ weeks.

Have you tried sourdough pancakes? If you do a search online for starter discard recipes, you’ll find recipes for pancakes, cakes, and other treats, these can be really good to make while you’re building up your starter. I even came up with a soda bread recipe using sourdough discard, but you’ll have to wait for my upcoming sourdough book to see that one!

Can I put it in the fridge and stop feeding it for a while if I am on vacation and take it out and keep feeding it? Does that work?

Anne Miller wrote:Tell us a little more about your process.

Did you use yeast or wild yeast?

How long did you let the dough rise?

How often did you knead the dough?

I highly recommend Chef John for making the starter:

https://permies.com/t/97835/Sourdough-Project

I used wild yeast, and let the dough rise over the course of two days and kneaded and folded it over the course of those two days every few hours since it wasn’t rising well enough. Thanks for the reference, from my research I added too much water throughout the whole process and needed to let it be more solid. Thanks you very much!

I tried making sourdough do trite first time, not really in to cooking or baking but when I saw the health benefits I had to try it. I think I put too much water and not enough flour throughout the process, but the starter was definitely suuuuper alive. Anyway, here’s the picture. It was super dense, but also su[er yummy, so I only got to take a picture after eating more than half of it. You’ll see how dense it is, and how unlike a Swiss cheese it is. Super tasty with elderflower jam though (self made).

I have 10X the starter left over, don’t worry, I’ll make some great sourdough before the semester starts again!

We’re planning a long-term intentional community in rural northern Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. The plan is for 20 to 70 families or individuals to each own private land, live nearby, and voluntarily collaborate on shared infrastructure.

This isn’t a commune or co-op. No shared income, no central leadership, no ideological litmus tests. Everyone owns their own land. Participation in shared projects is optional. The model is simple: self-sufficiency with mutual respect and basic coordination.

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Why This Project Exists
• Urban areas are becoming more expensive, dangerous, and unstable.
• The countryside offers land and security, but it’s not always safe for individuals or minorities alone.
• Many of us want to raise children outside of cities, but still around people we trust.
• Good land is still cheap in the target region, often $1,000 to $2,000 per acre for large, forested parcels.
• Cold winters mean fewer pests and less pesticide drift from nearby agriculture.
• Starlink and rural fiber are expanding, making remote work realistic even in remote areas.

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Who’s Involved Right Now

We’re a group of about 20 college-aged men from across the U.S. Most are students or early in their careers. The current group includes Jews (religious and secular), Christians (Catholic and Protestant), a Buddhist, a Hindu, and some atheists. No one’s pushing religion or politics. The common ground is safety, respect, and long-term planning.

Some want to homestead full-time. Others want a standard house and remote job. Some are politically conservative, others more liberal. The group includes a mix, but everyone values discussion over outrage.

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Basic Outline of the Community
• Land will be purchased individually, in adjacent or nearby parcels.
• Everyone keeps full ownership and legal control of their own property.
• We’ll plan optional shared spaces like a gathering hall, trails, or a storm shelter.
• The shared hall would serve as a community meeting space, synagogue or church, and event venue. No religious symbols or images by default.
• One small room will be kept for silence and meditation. No noise, no talking, no exceptions.
• The rest of the layout is flexible based on what people want and can contribute.

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Who Should Consider This
• Young adults planning for a long-term future outside cities.
• People who want to live near others they trust without giving up autonomy.
• Anyone who can work remotely or build useful skills over the next decade.
• People who can disagree without losing their minds. No ideologues. No cultists. No hand-holders.

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If You’re Interested

Reach out in the comments or message directly. We’re doing virtual meetups with people who seem aligned. There’s no commitment now. It’s early-stage planning. But if you think you’ll want in when the time comes, now is the time to get on the radar.

The window to help shape this from the ground up won’t stay open forever.