R Hasting

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Yesterday, I watched three hours of Bill teaching a PDC in 1995. He had a wicked sense of humor and really seemed to enjoy life. He was clearly an amazing man that created an insurrection that could not be stopped. There should be a special place in heaven for a man that can create a system that revolves around the golden rule like he did. Goodbye Bill, there are rumors that you have died. I know that they are lying.
2 years ago

John Wolfram wrote:

R Hasting wrote:True, but Curtis Stone has set it up so that his labor costs are less than half of his revenue. But this that wage is a profit to the worker, so in a sense, there is profit in it, but not all to the proprietor. What is important here is that 1/3 of an acre supports more than two people.


We might be muddling definitions here. I would define "net profit" as gross sales minus employee labor costs minus other expenses (taxes, farm equipment, rent, etc.) minus a "reasonable wage" for the owner of the business.



As a business, I concur. But this does indicate that $100K revenue on an acre would be a slam dunk on the right systems. I suspect that in a good market, $200-$300K per acre might be possible if the right systems were in place.

Which is what the original objections were. As for whether something is defined as permaculture, if you define permaculture in terms of being totally self sustainable with NO outside inputs, I dare to say that there will be few if any systems that can survive without electric, fuel, cooking oil, DE, NaCl, minerals, and all the other things that we all use from off the farm. If someone is able to grow their compost on one acre, and grow their garden vegetables on the other acre, is that not permaculture because the acre needs inputs?

I think that Purists are purists because they have never tried (or had) to do it.
3 years ago

Steve Rivas wrote:It is quite possible to net more than $100K per acre by raising "difficult" high value plant and animal species for niche markets. There are people doing this. In most cases they keep a low profile and don't offer seminars, workshops, how-to manuals, or books. They make their money by actually raising and selling a product. They don't have local customers. The last thing they want is for someone to go into business against them (competition). It isn't permaculture because feed and other materials must be sourced from off the farm. There are a lot of "wild" animal and plant species just waiting for somebody to figure out their life cycle and turn them into a profitable farmed product.



There is some truth to this, but How hard is it to grow lettuce and chives? Or are you implying that you can not grow annuals in permaculture. Curtis has those seminars, and videos. He has a weekly podcast with Diego Footer.
So there is at least one counter example to your statement of "Fact".

Which means it is time to reconsider what the truth is.
"The smaller the area, the greater the limitations, the greater the intensity of the system" - Geoff Lawton

3 years ago

John Wolfram wrote:Listening through the Urban Farmer series by Diego Footer of Permaculture Voices, it seems that they are grossing well above $100k an acre. Of course, they have two people working on roughly 1/3 of an acre, so the net profit after labor costs would a lot less.
http://www.permaculturevoices.com/its-winter-know-the-farm-numbers-the-urban-farmer-week-1/



True, but Curtis Stone has set it up so that his labor costs are less than half of his revenue. But this that wage is a profit to the worker, so in a sense, there is profit in it, but not all to the proprietor.
What is important here is that 1/3 of an acre supports more than two people.
3 years ago

Nicholas Covey wrote:According to my old-fashioned math... In order to glean $100,000.00 from 1 acre, you would have to make $2.30 per square foot, multiplied 43,560 times. That is mighty dense profitability for anything short of a mine.



Yep. You can sell, for example, a lettuce for $2.50. It takes .5 sf to grow that lettuce. You can grow out a lettuce in under 60 days, and where you have a 6 month growing season, you can grow at least 6 lettuces per SF in one season.
So that means that this SF gives you $15. that acres is 1/2 walking path, then you can glean $7.50 revenue per SF. which makes this math perfectly acceptable.
But that would be a very intense cultivation...
3 years ago

Margaret Taylor wrote:This all sounds very encouraging. Bryant RedHawk, what your friend does sounds like what my partner and I had in mind. So we're not delusional.

I finally figured out the right place to look for legality. It's legal, but you need a permit. The application process looks pretty doable.




<Soapbox>
You don't say where you are from, but if you live in the US, how does it feel to have to get a permit in the land of the free, so you can sell sprouted seeds?

I am glad that I live in a state where a permit is not "required" because they still think freedom still matters here.
<Stepping down now>

Now for something useful: We are starting s microgreens business, and I urge you to do it small scale for at least 3 months before you go to commercial level.
There are lots of ways to screw up a tray of greens.

Richard
3 years ago

Dan Boone wrote:

R Hasting wrote:
In other words, I don't need alternatives to digging a hole. A 32" hole is what is called for.



In The Fellowship Of The Ring Frodo famously says "Go not to the elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes." Our local version of this ought to be "go not to permies.com for advice on how to do a thing, for they will tell you at length how to do something else entirely."

I'm afraid it's the permies.com superpower. That hard thing you want to do? People imbued with permaculture thinking are much more likely to have some clever scheme for doing an easier thing instead, or possibly even for doing nothing and calling it "more sustainable". I've been on the receiving end of this enough times to know how infuriating it can be, and yet it really is the permaculture way.

Are posts driven into three feet of sand truly not stable without concrete? Because that sounds like a much easier approach if it would serve.



Dan, So true here at Permies...

These are 13g 2 3/8" steel posts, and if I could design them so that I could sink them 48" I probably wouldn't bother with concrete...
But I only got 32" and these are for a 6600 SF greenhouse.

Ok, so my son came up with this solution. It works!!!
We have water available. I place the post hole digger into the ground and turn on the pto. My helper sprays it with water. I will try to post a video of it in the next couple of days.

But this works... Hooray!
3 years ago

Jd Gonzalez wrote:Maybe try a piece of pipe just larger than the auger as a sleeve for the hole? T posts might work, just drive them into the sand with a t post driver.



Yeah, Tee-Posts are nice, but in this case I have to use 2 & 3/8" pipe. And these have to be pretty solid, so I don't feel comfortable just driving them in. I want to drop a bag of cement into each hole. It is in sand, after all.

In other words, I don't need alternatives to digging a hole. A 32" hole is what is called for.

As for a sleeve for the auger, any idea how to find a 13" sleeve?

Would that work in this case?

rihard
3 years ago
Hey everyone,
I finally got my little permaculture piece of heaven. Sadly, it is mostly beach sand. (But had other aspects worth dying for) Sadly, we are 300 miles from the actual beach.

I need to create almost 100 fence post holes on the property, about 3' deep. I have a tractor and a 12" post hole PTO attachment.
It digs just fine. The problem is that when I dig a hole 4' deep, and pull out the auger, the hole just collapses in on itself. The area where the fence posts are going currently has no vegetation on it.
It hasn't rained in 5 weeks, so the sand is described as "sugar sand". There is just no structure to the "Soil" (If you can call it that) at all. It just doesn't hold.

Aside from waiting for rain, and I am quite impatient, or wetting the ground with a tremendous amount of water, are there any ideas?

thanks,

Richard
3 years ago

elle sagenev wrote:Nothing has worked for me. Not a damn thing. Cats, dogs, poison, guns, nothing. I even tried those spear trap thingies. /sigh I've planted potatoes for them. I hope they leave my trees alone.



Sounds like you have the same sort of question then
3 years ago