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Summary
part 2 of a 2 part podcast
Paul continues the discussion with Julia and Eliot about bootcamp culture
Paul picks up on a comment about asking the neighbors. He relates a story about a couple who set out to grow organic cherries. They visited with the neighbors and within 4 years had become completely conventional and were broke. By farming commodities on a small plot using conventional means you're competing with farms with thousands of acres which you can never do.
Someone who's been at bootcamp for four months will be at level three on the Wheaton eco scale. But likely your neighbor is at level zero or maybe one and they don't get what you're trying to do, so their advice may not help.
Eliot talks about his pasture which had been exploited for hay for years, and by focusing on soil health they are way better then a few years ago. He's looking forward to adding the animals into the system.
They talk about how everyone has their own methods for permaculture and everyone is convinced their way is best. Paul created PEP because he wants to put his ideas out but anyone can make their own version.
They talk a bit about the development of the Lab and Permies.com. Paul feels the people who stay long term are mostly lovely people although there have been some bad experiences. Eliot says that the boots he's met as a participant in events are pretty much all good people. Paul thinks much of that is due to the environment they're trying to build. Eliot feels that Paul can sometimes be a bit too keen and intense for some people. Eliot says people who come to bootcamp, and how they need to have an open mind. Paul says that new boots are asked to go with the flow for 2 weeks before they start questioning what's going on. Paul makes the point to new boots that 95% of what you do as a boot is to benefit you and future boots.
Paul states that the things he talks about people find literally unbelievable. Eliot says you need to experience stuff to truly appreciate it and Permies is a great place to visit.
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