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Hey everyone, I want to build a wicking raised bed this year but first I want to ask if someone has any experience with it. I live in Macedonia, nowadays North Macedonia, in the Balkans and we have had some pretty dry summers  this last years, so I am interested, mainly, does it pays of water-wise. Will I use less water or its just that I wont need to water often.
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Hello,

To best explain wicking beds, think of a self watering pot, when the plant needs water it takes it from the reservoir in the pot.

A wicking bed is a garden bed with a reservoir, You fill that reservoir.

But at the same time you can have other issues such as to much water, drowning your plants.

So you need a way to measure how much water is in the bed, and an overflow system, which I suggest a bell siphon is a great tool for this,

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But, will I save water ... Maybe if I collect rainwater and then fill it with that ... And, does it pays off... Will try, will see what happens
 
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Vase Angjeleski wrote:But, will I save water ... Maybe if I collect rainwater and then fill it with that ... And, does it pays off... Will try, will see what happens




Before you Attempt to build the wicking bed, can you please post your plan for doing so!

 
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I dont know if that is allowed. Its from a book called "40 projects for building your backyard homestead", I might brake some ownership rights ... You can find it on google books, I believe that you can see those pages
 
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Vase Angjeleski wrote:I dont know if that is allowed. Its from a book called "40 projects for building your backyard homestead", I might brake some ownership rights ... You can find it on google books, I believe that you can see those pages



All good, You have a plan to work from! That's great!
 
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I recommend looking into hugelkuture (or "hugel") beds if you have any woody debris or other carbon rich organic material freely available. Basically:
- 1/3 of a hugelkulture bed is wood layered thinly with native soil (usually topsoil from the adjacent path)
- ideally this topped with 2-6" of compost or more. It can be just native soil but that will take longer to improve.

The first year, growth will be about as good as a similar wood free raised bed with similar soil. The second year, the hugel bed will grow significantly better, and after the third year I bet most people will replace the old beds with hugels because its no comparison for tilth, growth, disease resistance, drainage, and water retention/drought mitigation. They even extend the season for me by biologically warming the soil and improving drainage in the spring enough to see growth a couple weeks earlier than standard raised beds.

The taller the bed, the longer one can forego watering. A 6ft bed could go 6 hot months without water by its 3rd year. A 2ft tall bed can go a month when non hugels need water every week. The wood acts as the water resevoir, hosts beneficial fungi that supply nutrients to plants and hold more water, and leads to a more diverse and abundant soil ecosystem. I have used wicking beds, and have tried integrating wicking subterranean irrigation into hugels, but ultimately think its not worth the trouble in most cases for me. I use dripline covered in mulch instead. I have however intalled perforated 4" pipe for drainage in places where hugels lie near contour on steep slopes below hardscapes (roads or rooves) that drain a lot of water. Especially in the first season, if a hugel is unwisely placed like a dam in the path of water, wood can float and become hazardous flotsom (or is it jetsom?). Well enough of that tangent away from the topic of this thread!

Whatever you try, best of luck!
 
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Thanks man, I will look it up. I wonder, can I make it with sawdust? Like, a mixture of wood debris, broken branches and saw dust and all that "bonded" with soil, any experience or advice?
 
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One of the concerns inexperienced people have about hugelkulture is the assumption that the high carbon wood will cause nitrogen deficits as it decomposes. Basically soil organic matter decomposition will draw out nitrogen from the rhizosphere to reach a 25:1 to 30:1 C:N ratio.  However, this nitrogen deficit only happens on a fraction of a millimeter thick bubble around the wood surface. It is also most significant on older wood (ie logs) that have c:n ratios at upwards of 500:1. However large logs have very low surface area to volume ratios, so their water storage and fungal habitat outweighs the N draw down. Young branches and twigs full of sugary (rich in carbohydrates) cambium and sap can be pretty close to 30:1 so they cause very little to no N drawdown despite a higher surface area to volume ratio. The problem is when older wood (over 3” thick) is broken down into chips or sawdust and then buried. Very high C:N + very high surface area to volume = major N deficits for years. Just bury it as close to the form it fell, and make sure it stays buried to not create a moisture wick, and it will work well and greatly reduce maintenance and watering.
 
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And if I add manure to the mixture? Or green manure, as clover?
 
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I’d keep animal manures to 10% or less of the base mixture, and only use well composted manure on the top 6”-12” (especially if growing root crops or greens). Clover could be sprinkled in all over, but try to avoid clumps that could get anaerobic. You mentioned sawdust and woodchips earlier, and those can be good mulch. Just avoid burying and chipped wood or smaller due to surface area:volume and C:N ratio problems. Adding a lot of nitrogen to compensate could lead to simply having a hot compost pile. Many worse things exist, but it’s not what you seem to be looking for.

It may be counterintuitive, but it also greatly helps to compact any noticeable voids in between the woody debris by jumping on it, or better yet with heavy equipment like an excavator if available. Hundreds of meters of hugel beds can be built in a day with an excavator, but it’s probably best to start small and by hand to learn the nuances and see a proof of concept. The wood makes a springy forest floor like soil where overcompaction is virtually impossible for several years. Steeper beds hold up to compaction even better than flatter ones. Expect 30-40percent of the original height in settling.
 
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Thanks for everything man, you are jake
 
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