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Swale-based grey- and blackwater treatment

 
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Does this work? Does it stink?

This is the concept: three households, say families of six, have flush toilets and take baths and showers, and have a communal sewage treatment plan: everything goes to the sewer swale, which is located downhill from everyone's gardens. The sewer swale is a biiig honking swale, say 2 meters deep at least, just counting the trench, and it's overgrown with cottonwood trees and willow trees and cattails and bulrushes. The idea is that the excess water will soak in, towards the tree roots, and the plants will gobble up the nutrients. perhaps EM and red wigglers can be introduced, as well. A thick hedge on the uphill side towards the houses would be warranted, for sure. I get the idea that this system would smell really bad, and I worry that it may get backed up, somehow. Can anyone with experience in such matters shed some light on it, for me? What makes this a terrible idea? What about it is better than I assume?
 
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Hey there!
Flushing blackwater (from the toilet) onto the surface with all its water would absolutely smell rank. Loads of anaerobic bacteria going wild.
Into a swale to create a blackwater swampy ditch... yeah, that would create some truly breathtaking stenches, AND a dangerous area where human-to-animal and human-to-human disease transfer would be really easy.  The bacteria/diseases that live in your lower intestine/fecal matter can really mess you up if you get it in your eyes, nose, or mouth.
Humanure (human-manure) should not be left exposed near where humans live.
Very bad idea, 0/10 would not recommend.

It's why composting toilets rely on excess browns and no water for the solids - the sawdust or newspaper pellets dries out the humanure so it can compost without smelling terrible. Urine often gets diverted to a seperate chamber where it can be diluted with water and spread out - urine concentrated in one area can kill plants through nitrogen burn and excess salts. (not just NaCl, but other mineral salts that humans concentrate in our urine) So it's important that it gets diluted thoroughly.

Six families depositing their bodily waste - both solids and liquids - in one area would very quickly kill all plant life. It's why a large dog peeing on the grass can make a 'dead spot' even if they only go once, if they're big enough. We're a lot bigger than a dog.  

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What you're describing is basically an overground version of a septic system.

With a septic system, your toilet flushes down into a water-filled holding tank underground. Sometimes two or three tanks in a row, if you anticipate a lot of people using the same system.

This tank allows the solids to sink into the bottom (or float, whatever) and the urine to be thoroughly diluted.
The anaerobic bacteria in the water will gnaw on the solids, dissolving them into the water.
The water with dissolved nutrients will sit there until the next time you flush.
When you flush, you push some of the volume of liquid out the other side of the tank, through a pipe that is... not quite at the surface, to avoid sucking up any floating solids.

The liquid flows downhill, into a series of perforated pipes, across a 'septic field' - where the water seeps out of the pipes and into the soil, where soil organisms feast on the nutrients.  It's recommended that you don't plant edible food in the septic field, or plant trees that would break/clog the pipes with their roots - but wildflowers and other pollinator-friendly plants are often a solid choice. Plus, all your water would go directly back into the local ecosystem, instead of moved away via public sewer.






You DO have to pay to get the septic tank checked every couple years, and possibly drained if you're creating waste faster than the microbes can deal with it.
You also have to be careful not to flush any chemicals that could kill the bacteria in your septic system - this means toilet cleaners and bathroom cleaners that rinse down the drain need to be... not super toxic. And you can't just dump bleach down the drain.

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If you want to go lower-tech and you're willing to ditch the flushing water, another option is an outhouse.

With an outhouse, you deposit all of your excrement into a very deep pit. Similar to a composting toilet, if you keep a big bag of sawdust/shredded newspaper/other bulk 'dry browns' you can cap what you just excreted and minimize the smell - and help it compost down rather than anaerobically rot.
This would require everyone agree to use the outhouse, and not their indoor comfy water-flushing toilet - but it WOULD be depositing the nutrients directly into the soil, as it leaches out of the pit below.

Edit to add: With an outhouse or septic field, you have to be CERTAIN of where your slopes are. You REALLY don't want septic drainage or outhouse drainage going into your wellwater. The well should be THOROUGHLY UPHILL and FAR AWAY from your sewage treatment site.
 
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Thank you, Toko! That's what I needed. So a septic system is basically an underground anaerobic digester? That's a lot cooler that I thought!
How would you rate this system, then?
https://permies.com/t/181658/Ecological-sewage-treatment-ponds-concept
Now that I know that septic is anaerobic digestion, I'm thinking that the first pond could possibly be replaced by a septic tank/biogas generator.
 
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Yep! Septic systems are pretty cool. A lot of people are surprised at how organic/eco-friendly they are (aside from the inherent 'big concrete/fiberglass tank in the ground')

I've moved the bulk of my reply over to that new thread =)
 
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