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Growing a Food Forest / Permaculture in Oklahoma

 
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Good Morning!  I purchased an off grid property in the Oachita Mountains of Oklahoma.  I'm hoping to find people who have created food forests in my area.  I have watched countless videos but i am having problems finding information regarding my specific area.  around 18 inches of precip annually, hot summers, currently a yellow pine / oak forest with very little shrub/small plant growth and a lot of leaf litter on the ground.

Thank you!
 
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Hey Cameron. I like the Ouachita's of western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. Boy howdy there are some windy and hilly roads through there........

Are you sure you only get 18" of rain there annually? Most of the Ouachita's get a fair amount of precipitation.........Most of that whole area actually gets something on the order of 30-50 inches of rain depending on the year........

Well, I can't really help you with any of this, but just thought I would comment because I have been up through eastern Oklahoma and western Arkansas from east Texas several times over the years, and I've always loved that general area.
 
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Our forum member, Dr. Bryant Redhawk garden in the Ouachita Mountains of Arkansas.

There may be some differences between Oklahoma and Arkansas, though I have found that most areas of mountain ranges are very similar.

Brynat said, " The USGS designation is "Stoney, sandy loam" which means we can grow great rocks and our soil drains down to that Clay layer that extends up from the bed rock, the clay is terra cotta clay.



https://permies.com/wiki/redhawk-soil#936494

Here are some other threads that might be of interest to some:

https://permies.com/t/123928/Growing-Plants-builds-soil-health

https://permies.com/t/98472/Building-soil-Nutrient-Dense-Foods

https://permies.com/t/soil-microbiology-health
 
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Cameron Green wrote:Good Morning!  I purchased an off grid property in the Oachita Mountains of Oklahoma.  I'm hoping to find people who have created food forests in my area.  I have watched countless videos but i am having problems finding information regarding my specific area.  around 18 inches of precip annually, hot summers, currently a yellow pine / oak forest with very little shrub/small plant growth and a lot of leaf litter on the ground.

Thank you!



First off I'd like to welcome you to the aera and let you know that we get a whole lot more than just 18" of rain fall around here. Just this last spring we had enough to completely fill my water troughs in a single week, usually around 30-40 inches annually,
That being said however we also get long spells without rain and I have seen several of the ponds come close to completely drying out so you will have to store and treat your water if you plan to collect rainwater for your property. As for a well... good luck, they don't seem to be very successful most of the time here but there are some successful ones. As for the leaf litter, it is one of the only things that protect the little bit of natural soil on the surface from washing down to the valley floors and exposing the rocks so I personally try not to remove it if it can be avoided.
I have a small 7.5ish acre place just south of McAlester and I have found that preparing a Simi raised bed situation for any exposed garden areas, I use mine for my vine plants like watermellon, and lining the bottom of it with clay can greatly improve your water retention in the garden as our sandstone mountains have a tendency to absorb a lot of the water and can make it inaccessible to your garden during the droughts we get in the summer. Another commonly used method around here is tub gardening. As I'm sure you have learned by now we have a lot of cattle ranches around here and most of the ranchers put out mineral tubs for their cows, as a result there are plenty of empty tubs laying around that you can obtain (usually for free) as well as plenty of nitrogen Rich fertilizer which when mixed with that precious natural top soil can produce some very healthy vegetable plants.as well as mellons. And if you like okra then your in for a treat as it thrives around here. I have actually found myself planting to much for my son and I to consume my first year out here on our land and had such an abundance of it that I was selling boxes full to the local grocery store every few days .   My personal list of staples consist of okra, bell peppers, tomatoes, Onion, squash, zucchini, corn, cabbage, lettuce, Jalapenos,and green chili. In addition we grow watermelon, cantaloupe and honeydew. I also have several herbs like basil, parsley and oregano to name a few. I have a few apple trees and plum trees that while a little tricky to get up to size because of the extreme heat and cold we get ( I bought mine as saplings that were already producing a few pieces of fruit and grew them in tubs for the first couple of years so I could move them indoors as needed till they were big enough to deal with it before I transplanted them to the ground but still cover/wrap them when it's really bad out) They are now quite healthy and provide me with enough fruit to keep me happy every year. Also we have lots of persimmons trees and blackberrie bushes that grow wild around here so I make lots of jelly every year except when we get a late freeze, when those happen we don't really get much fruit from the wild ones.  I hope this information helps you as you build a successful garden in the forest on your place and I look forward to seeing the fruits of your labor posted here next year.

P.S. I don't have any pictures of my setup right now or I would share but here are a couple pics from our trials at the place we stayed down here before we bought our own land.

The por cantaloupe plant we had in the middle ran dry several times whilst still providing us with 10 mellons that year. I learned that I needed to line the bottom of my Mellon beds with clay before laying my soil so the soil didn't dry up so quickly.

As for pests the only thing I found to be a real problem was the fire ants were eating my okra and although I haven't really found a permanent solution I did learn that if you spray the plants with a mixture of dawn and water it seems to kill off any ants on the plants and no others were found on the treated areas for the rest of the growth but new buds would have to be sprayed as the flowers came into full bloom to keep them safe...cheep trick and it washed right off after harvesting without affecting the food.
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Learning what grows well we planted a couple of test buckets our first year in the aera before we picked out our land
Learning what grows well we planted a couple of test buckets our first year in the aera before we picked out our land
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A pot of garden stew with ground venison from our trials
A pot of garden stew with ground venison from our trials
 
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Thomas, welcome to the forum.

That stew looks delicious.  I was just wish I had some okra just yesterday.
 
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I started a food forest last year placed card board down first.  Used those leaves you were talking about plus twigs for my bottom layer. Then added wood chips on that. Then a layer of mulch. Then straw from the chicken house. Then some soil on top. Planted 6 trees. 2 apple 2 pear and 2 peach. Started 12 raspberry 2 per tree. Found 2 comfrey plants put them in. Started bee balm and 2 types of mint. Lots of onion and chives. And garlic. Placed some climbing beans and sweet potatoes for my vine layer. Place some flowers in to draw bees.my mistake was I didn't put logs or any other support to keep it all in the bed. This year both ends are flat. Lost the raspberry also planted BlackBerry they did make it.Used strawberry for my ground cover they are doing great. This year started a new guild with 3 plum trees. Did the same as last year to build my soil but this time I placed wood around the edges. Hoping for a better outcome. I now have lots more comfrey in my first year bed. I'm able to move strawberry around already. They love it. I planted a couple of fig trees this year. Will see how they do.the wood I used is from the forest. It's starting to decay. This will help feed the beds. But still stout enough to hold in place.I put my first walkway down this year. Between the first bed and this year's bed using those decaying logs cardboard and wood chips on top..l like it. I just planted some carrots beans squash cucumber in any areas showing dirt. So using more leaves and mulch for the ends to build them back up. This time using logs to hold it in place. This fall I plan on moving the mint to the back of the garden. It wants more room to grow. I'm learning by my mistakes. Hope this helps. In rose Oklahoma.
 
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Welcome to the forum, debra!

It sounds like you are off to a great start with all your layers.

Best wishes for a great harvest.

 
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