Fred Frank V Bur

Hi, I am looking for much the same, but I see you are much more desirable with being so ready for such a community. I would say still that growing everything that would be needed and might be needed, to depend on instead of things from any cities, will be important.

Julien Sueur wrote:Hello
I had a talk with my AI : Lumo (from Proton, they are great by the Way ;))

To Resume,
* The main Concern is only about CH4 whatever the method because it is 25 times more harmful than CO2 (that s why i am Vegan and do stockfree Permaculture)... So Air and O2 is important in the composting

* Composting directly on the beds is Also much more beneficial for the life of the soil and the soil...

* For the pathogens ,this is a non sense and propagande for me :
1/ What the point of a free-pathogens compost on the beds if you have birds, fox, worms, rats, chickens, etc taking a piss everyday on it lol
2/ Most of people doing free-pathogens compost use or eat chemicals which are much more harmful lol !
3/ I try to clean or peel my vegetables before to eat lol (with water or better vinegar)
4/ Even with animal manure cold composting, most of the pathogens disappear quickly (see Joe Jenkins) if your soil is alive
5/ Those pathogens are not lethal and there are a lot of "natural medecine"
6/ Most of Hot Compost is not hot !  Because we need at least 1000 liters of stuff Straight away for maintaining the temperature

In Anyway, the planet or the chemicals will get rid of me !!
Julien

These are good points, worthy of a boost. Chemicals are not better for being used, when there are other effective choices. I would add this to be remembered with the knowledge to not use crops and avoid a problem from pests with having plants growing for food or other used needed scattered with compatibly growing natural plants for the same area.

Liu Obraztco wrote:Veganic gardening is not as restricting as you might be assuming =). Wild life is welcome unless or until you start noticing that they develop a keener interest in the crops you plant. In that case, of course, it makes all the sense to surround the crops with fences or, what's even better, to experiment planting species which would repel the animals who are after the crops. There is no other rules in this type of gardening besides "avoid exploitation of other animals as far as possible". If you look up on the Internet, there is a good amount of well-functioning veganic farms and gardens around the globe that grow anything one can grow using conventional methods.

Fred Frank V Bur wrote:

Liu Obraztco wrote:

Anne Miller wrote:Welcome to the forum!


How does a Veganic Forest Garden differ from a Forest Garden that most folks create?

Hi Anne! Thank you for the interest and your question (:

Veganic forest garden compared to a conventional one, does not use any inputs of animal origin such as manures, bone meal, etc; nor it forcefully integrates any animals within its systems such as chickens, pigs, rabbits, etc. who would end up slaughtered. However, it welcomes any creature who willingly come by to engage with the elements of the garden: all kinds of wild birds, bugs, animals who come and go as they please. One of the principles of such a garden is to attract beneficial fauna to create symbiotic relations between the garden and other living organisms as it is done in the Nature.

I hope that answers your question. And of course, there is more information on the Internet about this type of gardening :)

Thank you for this topic. I would look for any veganic forest garden with any community there, small as it needs to be, or that could be there, here in America, where I would much more likely go. I would not want animals that come and go excluded, but then what will be growing there for food cannot be in crops, but what grows among other compatible plants, while enough variety of foods from different plants is desirable for much better health than there would be with other ways.

A fence for some things makes sense. But avoiding a problem of pests is desirable, so not using crops but simply growing plants for needed food individually among other plants naturally there that are compatible would greatly help.

Liu Obraztco wrote:

Anne Miller wrote:Welcome to the forum!

How does a Veganic Forest Garden differ from a Forest Garden that most folks create?

Hi Anne! Thank you for the interest and your question (:

Veganic forest garden compared to a conventional one, does not use any inputs of animal origin such as manures, bone meal, etc; nor it forcefully integrates any animals within its systems such as chickens, pigs, rabbits, etc. who would end up slaughtered. However, it welcomes any creature who willingly come by to engage with the elements of the garden: all kinds of wild birds, bugs, animals who come and go as they please. One of the principles of such a garden is to attract beneficial fauna to create symbiotic relations between the garden and other living organisms as it is done in the Nature.

I hope that answers your question. And of course, there is more information on the Internet about this type of gardening :)

Thank you for this topic. I would look for any veganic forest garden with any community there, small as it needs to be, or that could be there, here in America, where I would much more likely go. I would not want animals that come and go excluded, but then what will be growing there for food cannot be in crops, but what grows among other compatible plants, while enough variety of foods from different plants is desirable for much better health than there would be with other ways.

Since this is for showing what fungus I get, this is it. Yes, water kefir has fungus in it. There won't be any mushrooms I would show, I never get any. Everything is from plants. Kefir would be the exception.

I've tried it long ago, but I am not getting beer or wine anymore, I don't drink anymore.

I would think it is alright to have indication of what state one is in of those of the United States, as I think most here would be.

If I find any through communication here seeking the same things for this sustainable way we can see to go on I will be responsive, and we can plan on ways for this, and when seeing it can work we can arrange to meet with preparation to go on the land we found for this with enough to have growing there.

I think a small group would interest me as much, with simple off-grid living growing all of what can be grown for what we together would need and really want, for becoming independent from what civilization and anyone else is making, I am sure many people were living this way before, but modern civilization has changed that, but with becoming destructive in this world. I do not want to remain taking part in that.

I wish all gatherings had the same options.