Fred Frank V Bur

I still say I am vegan. But pests that are destructive and will attack to bite will not get the same consideration from me, defense against them even with killing is logical. Killing happens in natural systems and I am not desiring any delusional ways to stop it which would throw off the needed balance. The vegan ethics I see is about not supporting human use of animals, which are generally kept captive all their shortened lives for that. They are not destructive and would not attack unprovoked. There is so much exploitation that is not generally acknowledged or recognized that I see preferable to not continue any involvement in, and the real sustainable ways do not need any of that. My ways that I would continue with are involving very healthy ways of eating.

I am a lot of things that are more distinct from others. I am vegan, I am Christian, I am seeking others into growing things together on good land with adequate water for sustainable living becoming separate from civilization. I need to bring things as these up for connection.

Thanks for that post, it is a reminder to me that I should post the email address to reach me, which I often forget to do. But to contact me any should mention this forum site for me to know who it might be, that I should answer. vegrox@aol.com

I am just posting because if you do get an answer for this area, where I am as well, I will be really interested, so I am following. I am planning for planting and growing a lot for any of the needed things that are possible, that is enough to survive with, where I can ultimately be.

I am a man that has been vegan nearly ten years, I am counting, it is still over nine, but I had stopped getting meat more years before that. Since early in 2016 I have been using the way of whole food from plants, that means for me there are just foods from the plant kingdom. I am 66 years old, but youthful in activity. I am in California.

I used to be quite the food junkie. But change is possible, at any age. I was already an older man, over a few years I gave up drinking, then meat, then any animal products, and then went WFPB.

This approach might be a bit better for me as I see it used in a similar way by others. I am looking for any I can join with for simpler living on land away from city life, I am vegan and hope to see others understanding the same values, where everything that can be grown at the location for what is needed would be, I would bring seeds and take part in growing it all. I am single and male without anyone to bring, I have looked online for something right for this for many years, while I have been online, and I am 66 already, but with the healthy ways I have I am really able, and would not rather be doing any other things, except for maybe writing and telling stories as I am quite prone to do. I would be doing such with free time left then.

C Oakes wrote:Here are some photos of the homestead

I do think any images shared of the place ready for who would come to join in working at growing things especially with natural farming ways would tend to be persuasive.

I have real obstacles, like a need for resources I do not have, and knowing any change to a new location would be such investment that I would not keep trying other choices if that which I would come to was not what I would stay with. I want to be really sure, and the further away it is from my location in the US, the more critical I would be of it. This you have described involves much that has to be thought out, but really quite the way how I would want things where I would be. Where growing in a greenhouse is needed, enough space for all that would be needed should be thought of. There are things I do not think I would have thought of, like putting on an additional room to the greenhouse. Where anything growing wildly is edible that can be foraged, I would want to try each recognized while taking any sparingly, keeping any seeds that come with what is foraged to replant, and leaving enough for the wild plants of the ecosystems to still thrive. Without using crops, some wild growing plants that grow compatibly are useful for growing what will be needed among them. It should be clear I mean what will grow apart from inside a greenhouse.