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Austin Shackles wrote:Burra drew my attention to this thread and we had a quick thinky (as I do most of the cooking when we're both here) - I could easy enough knock up a nice quick pasta dish with basil from the garden, onions, mushroom, peppers and so on which we ordinarily have al the time.  The tomato sauce in bottles from Lidl turns out to be vegan when I check although I don't think it's labelled as such but there aren't any animal products on the list.  Or I mostly have fresh tomato in the fridge anyway.  Or I could do a veggie curry if I cooked the rice specifically: we often have cooked rice read but that isn't vegan as Burra puts "skinny bits" in it for collagen to help are increasingly aging joints.  But there's plenty of uncooked rice and it doesn't take that long to cook.  We also mostly have frozen cooked beans or chickpeas in the freezer.

They almost always assume vegans would want mushrooms, and many of them will assume anyone else would. I don't like mushrooms, there are many of us who do not, I am vegan, too, and still would not ever choose to eat any mushrooms or things with them. My point? Ask if they want it before you serve it. That should be a general rule anyway.

I might say it this way... If I can grow those things myself that is what I want to have. I would be doing that right when I am on land for doing that. There would be plants for many things, food or otherwise, as I plan for that. I would never be managing mushrooms though, it would all be just the plants, and not as crops, but scattered among the compatible plants that will grow there.

My favorite sauce, if any would like to know, as others probably would like it, is what I have in cooked meals with adding hummus and medium salsa, it can be helped with healthy tasty herbs and spices. There are such like me eating just whole foods, and many of us do not want the salt added, sugar is avoided with using other natural things for sweetening, sweet fruits or agave nectar can do.

R Grier wrote:I also love looking into all the edible plants around me, and as such have a huge variety of greens lol.
I have found success with a few techniques.
1-throw them in chopped at the end with ANYTHING, soup, rice, stew, eggs, bean patties, cooking meat ect, just make sure to add salt and oil!
2. Many are quite good dried for teas, even some i don't particularly want to eat can be quite nice as tea.
3. Hang drying and crumbling turns any leaf into a preserved "herb" which can be added for flavor and health.
4. Chop or blend and freeze the season specific ones (for me that includes basil and sorrel)  to add to things out of season. Don't be afraid to just toss some in.
5. The good ol' "extract" soak a dried herb of delightful flavor (mint being a classic) in glycerin or vodka for 2 months, now you have gourmet flavors.
6. (And this might be more in answer to your question)
Toss a mass of random leaves and sprouts all in a skillet with some olive oil, salt, and maybe some garlic, mushrooms (also a crop you could look into) or onion and call it "wilted greens" serve it as a side with meat, eggs, beans, ect.

For me If im being good I usually eat 1 meal a day wi th a large portions of "random greens", and its usually just tossed in. I do love my horseradish leaves for a "lettuce wrap" though.

I think maybe your problem here is calories and protein though. Nuts, seeds, beans, and surprisingly duckweed are vegan protien options you could look into. If you don't have much space but have lots of trees you could look at game hens, like guinee or quail, or bantam chickens, they can also eat all those apples you are sick of 😉. They can exist in a surprisingly small space while giving you protien and bug control at the same time. Another thought is aquaponics/aquaculture. Adding home grown fish to your options would help alot.

Small fruits are always good (shade making climbing fruits like grapes, kiwis, or passionfruit can be grown over greens or shade tolerant fruits like strawberries), and can be used for more than just jams or chutney, such as syrup, mixed with yogurt or cream, or frozen and blended into "nicecream" or even roasted with savory spices and meat. A roasted apple with cinnamon is quick and easy and delightful!
An under used calorie and variety source i love to remind people of is honey, bees are fantastic for your trees too! Sweet potatoes, potatoes, sunchokes and other tubers are great calorie choices if you want to cut out or limit grains. But beware, grains have important things beyond calories/carbs, such as Iron and b vitamins, which can be surprisingly hard to get enoigh of if you aren't careful. Kiwi and passionfruit both provide huge amount of b though.

I have just had food from plants for over thirteen years and have not had meat for years longer. I still found this information useful, especially about collecting duckweed for added protein. I already have ways for adding flavor to meals for making them really good. I use herbs and spices and not salt, it is really healthy that way, with whole foods from plants, and I use hummus and medium salsa to my meals, pretty much always, and often other tasty things.

I would be growing a lot there for food and things, to approach not needing to go out to get anymore things.

M Pearson wrote:... a barefoot vegan looking hippie girl running a RMH and lacking both a chainsaw and a pickup.
... Skinny barefoot vegan chicks tend to live in apartments on University Ave in Berkeley.

So maybe you want to not frame it as "big tough chainsaw pickup logger dudes vs skinny barefoot vegan girls" but "big tough chainsaw pickup logger dudes being cool & creative vs. wasteful and bad stewards of their land" or something.

I let it be known in posts I am an older man, I qualify it to say I am still fit, with good legs that I will walk well, get down and up, and can outwalk others. I am a skinny barefoot vegan guy, I live in a city, not ever Berkeley though, I still want to get out and away from cities and live with good stewardship on land, with any others there who will live in similar ways and cooperate in this. Rocket stoves should be fine with this, I think.

This is not me. I am older too, I want such a community with independence growing a lot of things as needed but not as crops. Yet I see need of some families with children there, as I want a community to last, and that is what can make it possible.

C Oakes wrote:I sent you an email.

Alright, thanks, I see it and will respond right away there. Though stating I am old I must be sure to say that I am fit, and am really able to move around really well. It is important certainly with my plans to grow things from many seeds for having good variety of things growing for what food and things we will need, not as crops but among compatible natural growing plants of the area. I have thought of using seed-balls, have you heard of doing that?

I see Instagram is used by a few, but I am not using it and am not interested. The best way to reach me for response apart from this is with email used reaching me at vegrox@aol.com. But let me know communication already started here.

I am an older man but serious about growing what is needed of everything that can be in the location used for it, and capable too. But I know I should be with others for this, none I speak with in person will join in with me. I can't just travel for this to find what might work, I will need to know there is certainty enough and I would stay where I come to. I am "straight edge" and live just having whole foods from plants, and always still try to get along with others.