C. Letellier wrote:So Thoughts?
There's a lot here. I'll need to give it some time to make sure I understand your proposal in detail. And, I may not be qualified to properly evaluate/understand some of it.
I do agree that Thorsten Chlupp's design is pretty impressive - for a new build, where it's easier to build the huge tank into the heart of the structure. In some retrofits, he did use an external buried tank (one I saw looked like an old propane tank - the sort they fill the trucks from), with spray foam insulation, and then buried. But, that didn't allow for much stratification. His library project used concrete tanks, as I recall, as part of the basement excavation (but, again, a new build).
Thorsten's automatic stratifier return pipe is pure genius, in my opinion. To maximize the benefit of the stratification, you'd need a tank that was relatively deep for its footprint dimensions. Tall/deep tanks will be trickier to build with lumber, due to the increased hydrostatic pressure. Building it like a barrel (with tensile hoops in the circumferential direction, to take those stresses) might be viable; they used to build water tanks and molasses tanks this way (but, see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood). I know you've given tank construction considerable thought, but you're basically building a concrete form to hold the pour indefinitely.
My inclination, for my personal situation, would be to use IBC totes, salvaged fuel oil tanks, or 55gal barrels, plumbed together in series and housed in an insulated compartment: modular, and thus easier to wrangle into an existing space; relatively inexpensive; and the containment is built in. With careful plumbing, some level of stratification can be accomplished with the series plumbing (but Thorsten's auto-magic stratifier is not easily implemented, so some potential gains will be missed).
Thorsten's systems also relied on custom programed industrial controls to manage the pumps to the drain back collector panels. Though it's been a while since I listened to his lectures, I recall that he was using PLCs, not just a simple differential controller. There are some details available on his setup, but I don't know if there are enough to really replicate it. The Cold Climate Housing Research Center at University of Alaska Fairbanks had continued doing some research based on Thorsten's designs, and may have more info on the controls aspect. He was also working in an extreme climate (Fairbanks, AK) , and running his collectors in winter. Extracting some net solar gain from flat panel collectors at such high latitudes, in winter, is pretty impressive, at least to me.
I have intended to build initial collector panels on the cheap, following Richard Heiliger's modified Thomason trickle down (MTD) collector panels:
https://www.builditsolar.com/Experimental/MTD/MTD.htm
That's a totally different collector scheme from yours, of course. Heiliger's MTD definitely would have a shorter life span than yours, constructed from perishable materials as it is; still, that might be OK for some initial experimentation. My intended pilot MTD project, to learn something in a low-risk situation, is an outdoor shower water heater for seasonal use, where leaks and other errors will be of minimal consequence. If that proves successful, then I might rig up a DHW pre-heater for my residence; space heating for the house would require a lot more work - either under floor radiant heating (only possible on the ground floor, without undue tear-up) or converting the existing low pressure steam radiator system to vacuum (a potential project for the future to jump the system efficiency, with or without solar hot water, but not at the top of the list). But, drain back collectors - of whatever design - do seem to be the most foolproof low tech approach, in climates like ours where freezing is a concern.
Heiliger's collaborator on the MTD project, John Canivan, has some details on building a DIY controller on his YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@jcanivan/videos
He also has quite a bit on DIY storage tanks, flat panel collectors, etc.
I recently picked up a used copy of Canivan's self-published little book on building a solar hot water system. In that one, he gives a recipe for building a pretty typical flat plate collector - aluminum absorber plates (from roll roof flashing), copper tubing and Kalwall glazing - and open barrels plumbed in series for the tank(s). He used a closed loop for both the collector loop and the DHW, with antifreeze in the collector loop for freeze protection and contra-flow for the DHW - the tank water is isolated from both, and is just a heat store - whereas Chlupp's systems are open loop (collector and storage), with his DHW being heated with an exchanger coil immersed in the (top of the highly stratified) storage tank.
Your coil-in-a-hot-box design is a lot simpler (I think) than even Canivan's DIY flat plate recipe.
Anyway, I'll try to give your proposal some proper attention, and if possible, offer some constructive feedback, but it may take me a bit to get to it, since I've got a bunch of projects with which I am either helping or which I am doing for myself, at the moment. Please be patient, and ping me to remind me if you don't hear from me in a bit.