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Colorado water rights question

 
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We are moving back to Colorado Springs and want to buy a small acreage (5 acres) in the Falcon/Peyton area. We will need to have a well dug. However, I heard that having a household well does not allow for irrigation. Is there anybody familiar with this issue? How do you establish a garden and food forest under the local restrictions?
 
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You may find this document a worthwhile read.

Apparently, if the property qualifies for a "small capacity well" permit (page 11) or an "exempt well" permit (page 12), then you can irrigate up to one acre of land. Also, the rainwater collection section (page 14) lists some conditions when rainwater harvesting is permissible.
 
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Gabi Rivera wrote:We are moving back to Colorado Springs and want to buy a small acreage (5 acres) in the Falcon/Peyton area. We will need to have a well dug. However, I heard that having a household well does not allow for irrigation. Is there anybody familiar with this issue? How do you establish a garden and food forest under the local restrictions?



the water rights are dependent on the well permit you are about to get.


Household-Use Only Well : Issued for ordinary household use for a single-family dwelling and does not allow for outside or livestock watering.

Domestic and Livestock Well : For land tracts of more than 35 acres where the well will be the only well on the tract or on land tracts less than 35 acres in locations where the well use will have minimal impact on surface water rights. Depending on the provisions of the permit, the well may be able to serve up to three single-family dwellings, irrigate one acre or less of lawn and garden, and provide water for the permit holder’s domestic animals and livestock.

taken from this website:
http://www.watercolorado.com/resources/articles/article4.shtml

depending on how much farming you want to do, you may need to go further east or maybe a bit south/south west.
we are on city water, but have irrigation rights - and are close enough to commute into COS for work.


hope this helps.
 
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My cousin ranches NW Colorado. He is so upset about water laws that he made this post on his Facebook page a while back.
"When it rains, if I open my mouth in the downpour and swallow, that rain is mine. If I use a cup to catch it I have broken the law!" He cannot put in any kind of water diversion or containment, make contours in the field or put up snow fences to catch water.
The absurdity is that powers that be have concluded that the people in California need Western Colorado water more than the people there. One high country rancher I talked to said his grandfather and father had always diverted the stream that ran through his land to grow alfalfa. When the grandson did this he was sued and fined by the water authorities. He has had to cut his 1200 head of cattle to 500 because now he cannot grow hay to feed through the winter.
 
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Dan Kline wrote:My cousin ranches NW Colorado. He is so upset about water laws that he made this post on his Facebook page a while back.
"When it rains, if I open my mouth in the downpour and swallow, that rain is mine. If I use a cup to catch it I have broken the law!" He cannot put in any kind of water diversion or containment, make contours in the field or put up snow fences to catch water.


i have said the same sorts of things -
in CO the water that falls from the sky isnt yours ... unless it damages your property, then its yours. funny how that works.

you can add swales and other earthworks, you just have to name them to conform to NCRS terminology.
funny how one slice of govt says you cant do it, the other will help you do..... if you call it something slightly different.

Dan Kline wrote:
The absurdity is that powers that be have concluded that the people in California need Western Colorado water more than the people there. One high country rancher I talked to said his grandfather and father had always diverted the stream that ran through his land to grow alfalfa. When the grandson did this he was sued and fined by the water authorities. He has had to cut his 1200 head of cattle to 500 because now he cannot grow hay to feed through the winter.


i would guess that person was diverting a stream that he didnt own the rights to. had i been a downstream water rights holder, i would want him to stop also. it is in effect, stealing.

i do think that water should be able to be captured - so long as it isnt sold and is used onsite.

there is a saying on the western slope - whiskey is for drinking - water is for fighting over.
 
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The rancher's grandfather was the homesteader. He was the first to live in the area when it was settled in north east Moffat County high on Black Mountain. I have worked the hay crop there in the 1960's. Many mountain meadows had been irrigated to product hay crops. This hay was trucked to a lower elevation ranch site where the cattle wintered. No other humans lived upstream, but the creek flowed down into the Fortification Creek, that came to the Yampa River that came to the Green, that dumped into the Colorado and went on to the Gulf of California. The ranch I was born on and grew up at is in that same watershed. My grandfather homesteaded there and his grandsons now own and battle the government to try to make a living.
 
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I'm not in Colorado but I am a neighbor in Wyoming. I'm not overly familiar with CO water rights, except that they are very very difficult to get. What I can tell you is that I do have a household well on my acreage and it is limited to 1 acre of irrigation or some odd gallons a month which I'd have to look up because I don't have memorized. So I have 40 acres but can only legally irrigate 1.

Look up the state engineers office and they'd be able to tell ya.
 
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http://water.state.co.us/Home/Pages/default.aspx
 
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The Division of Water Resources has several types of well permit application forms to assist you in obtaining a permit to construct a new or replacement well. Using the correct form will greatly assist you in obtaining the documentation you require to proceed with the construction or replacement of a well in a timely fashion.

For additional information, read the Guide to Well Permits, Water Rights, and Water Administration.

First, it is important to know if you are located within one of the following: The Denver Basin, The Denver Basin AND a Designated Ground Water Basin, or A Designated Ground Water Basin .

For residential uses there are generally three types of use, depending on your particular needs and physical land situation.
Form GWS-44 may be used for all these types of residential uses.

The three types of use are:

General Residential With Lawn/Garden Irrigation and Domestic Animal Watering
Livestock Watering Only
Residential Household Use Only

For more information, please see the General Residential or Household Use page. All residential real estate transactions that include a well transfer require a Change of Owner Name/Address form to be completed and existing wells must be registered.

For all other situations and types of uses the forms to use are:

Commercial Wells - Click here to determine correct forms
Dewatering Well
Dewatering System
Gravel Pits
Irrigation, Municipal, Industrial, and Other Large Capacity Wells
Monitoring and Observation Hole (temporary)
Monitoring and Observation Well (permanent)
Recovery/Remediation Well
Registration of an Existing Well (construction prior to 1972)

 
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Thanks, Danielle. I went to the link you provided and found a map that takes me closer to finding out which district applies to my area. I sent them an e-mail and we'll see what they say.

I hope somebody who lives in the area will be able to give me an answer based on actual experiences. I would hate to buy property I am not able to irrigate. Just by looking on a satellite image of the area, there don't seem to be any cultivated areas, which is a bad sign. Most people leave the native grass and keep horses.
 
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Gabi,
I live in Colorado Springs (moving to Kentucky in a month or two), and I would be very reluctant to start a farm out here. In addition to the ridiculously backwards water rights restrictions, it's getting more and more dry with each passing year. Even collecting rain water with a roof catchment system is technically not allowed without going through the state, although I have no clue how easy that is to get approval since I just did it without permission.

I have heard from other Colorado natives that getting water rights is difficult, limited, and still requires a meter so that you'll be charged. Nevermind that proper use would raise water table levels, increase vegetation, reverse desertification, and smooth out the unpredictable precipitation in the area - the problem is that water rights are over a century old here and the good ol' boys are still claiming rights to them. It's so frustrating to see how much effort in Colorado goes towards running water into streams as quickly as possible, you'd think it's toxic...

So I'd be reluctant because I'd be worried that natural water will get worse, and the restrictions could possibly get worse along with that. But good luck if you do end up coming out this way. It's beautiful, that's for sure.
 
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Dean, I really love the area and will find a way. Sometimes I wonder if I should buy a house in town with municipal water supply and try to grow intensively on a small piece of land. It would be more expensive but at least there is water. I could always do rainwater harvesting illegally as the primary source of irrigation. It would also save the cost of drilling a well and septic.

May I ask if you did rain barrels or simply redirected the flow to be stored in the soil?
 
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Gabi,
We did both. On the south side of the house where our larger garden is, the previous owner has it redirected to the garden and that worked well. On the north side there was no garden, so I added one and then ran the gutters on that side to a 55-gallon barrel. No one could see it, and frankly here in the suburbs I'm thinking that people either don't garden and wouldn't even know it was illegal to capture the water, or they do garden and would just wink and smile if they saw it. If you're trying to capture all roof runoff, though, you'll probably want something more than 55-gallons since most of the rain falls in a very short amount of time in the spring and summer.
 
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Gabi Rivera wrote:Dean, I really love the area and will find a way. Sometimes I wonder if I should buy a house in town with municipal water supply and try to grow intensively on a small piece of land. It would be more expensive but at least there is water. I could always do rainwater harvesting illegally as the primary source of irrigation. It would also save the cost of drilling a well and septic.

May I ask if you did rain barrels or simply redirected the flow to be stored in the soil?



I don't think municipal water is the answer either. They will often put water restrictions up in times of drought. We have had years and years where you are allowed to water only on certain days at certain times, anything else is fined. CO is even stricter about water than Wyoming.
 
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Danielle Venegas wrote:
I don't think municipal water is the answer either. They will often put water restrictions up in times of drought. We have had years and years where you are allowed to water only on certain days at certain times, anything else is fined. CO is even stricter about water than Wyoming.



Using rainwater when available and barrels filled with municipal water should allow for watering on the restricted days. I would hope that I could build a system that does not require daily watering once the plants are established. I agree that using municipal water (or well water for that matter) is not sustainable but even Geoff Lawton irrigates a bit. I am really afraid of using wells because I never had one. Adding the unpredictability of a permit application does not help. I got an answer from the groundwater people but it is vague so I am looking for more clarification. I will post here in case anybody else needs this info.
 
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