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Jae Sabol II wrote:Any chance we could get a downloadable file with all these videos in it? I watch these while commuting and they crush my data. I could screen capture them all but it would take significant time so a downloadable zip file would be really helpful. The MP3 suggestion would be nice too, but there's enough visuals in these that I'd really prefer a zipped download so I can load them directly on my phone. Any possibility of this?
B.E. Ward wrote:Diego,
After listening to these and thinking a bit, there's a question I want to run past you. Would it be fair to identify all this in another way, as "the problem is permaculture for permaculture's sake"?
If so, I think that's a resounding human flaw in general.. The tendency to glorify one's niche at the expense of all others. Just look at religion (I say this as an Orthodox Christian). But, back in the world of soil.. I think it's the big reason why permaculture principles don't get a lot of traction in the ag world. Not that polyculture doesn't work (the chicken-egg of soy, corn, and wheat demand worldwide is another topic altogether), but it's easy to see people dancing in mud and ignore Mark Shepard. It's why Jack has a subset of his audience that is tired of him talking about permaculture, and another that can't get enough of it, but don't want to hear about guns. Frankly, it rears its head around these forums sometimes too.. among people who are supposed to be interested in the same thing! I think this might be what you're getting at when you talk about some declaring "It's not Permaculture enough!" when presented with a design or project.
What I'm hearing you say is we all need to take a deep breath, have a little humility, and, well, remember it's "people care", not "dogma care".
George Meljon wrote:I listened to it a few minutes ago. I think it's a fair dose of criticism, but that criticism is not without it's generalizations and broad denouncements. The fact is, there is enough tension within the topic of permaculture that it would take hundreds of pages to discuss and critique at the level Diego and his source Mr. Harper are so in need of. But that's the calling they make. Somebody else would have to do that.
Lastly, Diego calls for people to go out and do agriculture and make a living doing it first, then layer permaculture on top. Then he says permaculture is the hook the brings people into farming. It's a clear catch 22. In general, I think the earth care- people care - return of surplus angle is important enough for anyone starting out that it can influence them in the right direction. Same with the small and slow solutions advice. You see a lot of people jumping into ag and buying all this equipment and going broke in 3 years. Diego even linked to a NYT op-ed piece by a young couple that did this, so I think he's too close to throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Matthew Talicuran wrote:Hey I will be driving in from the east county San Diego as much as that helps. One of the things to consider is parking at the convention center its aweful. If you are driving in with a bunch of folks that are going to be doing the same things as you afterwards I would suggest group parking well away from the convention center and taking 1 car into the center parking. The peak traffic into the center can be bad as well as the daily price goes from $15 to $25 if there is something going on at petco park. Just a few thing to consider.