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John Abacene
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- Just an idea -

You take used Fryolator oil, bubble up through it the Hydrogen Sulfide gas from waste-water treatment.
If properly wicked or otherwise fed, the resulting bubbly froth at the burner device would burn much hotter than the fryolator oil alone.
Thus, you have an outlet for the byproduct of Hydrogen Sulfide gas, and also a hotter, more efficient burn for the oil as well,  win-win.  This could also be a stage coming after my previous idea of the Hydrogen Sulfide Fuel Cell, win-win-win.  (See Hydrogen Sulfide Fuel Cell topic)

- Any thoughts?
 
Mark Rose
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H[sub]2[/sub]S is nasty. When you burn it, you'll end up with sulphuric acid. It's also toxic at 10 ppm, odourless at 100 ppm, and fatal at 500 ppm. If the flame goes out, you'll end up with an invisible death cloud -- it's heavier than air. Surely you know about it, but others won't.
 
Rich Pasto
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being odorless means there is no way to tell if a problem develops. Since you can die from this stuff - or worse, kill someone else - it demands that you have adequate, redundant safety mechanisms with fail safes. hydrogen Sulfide is used for suicides sometimes. In 2008 there was a wave of suicides in Japan were people used this, but left notes on the doors to their apartments or cars warning of the lethal gas inside, so first responders wouldnt walk into their own deaths.
 
C.J. Murray
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Wow! Coming from the right perspective this could be win-win-win-win.
 
John Abacene
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(The artist formerly known as "Creteman"...)
(The artist also formerly known as "Justin case")
(The artist now known as "John Abacene").... lol...

Ok - sorry, but I've been away, busy and all that other kind of thing.....

Regarding the (more recent?) past replies to this post, I must update it.
The presumption here was either being able to separate the Hydrogen Sulfide from the mostly methane coming from a biodigester.
Although I am interested in the deadly possibilities having been raised, this was a very singular and specific idea, and maybe there is where I may have erred.

So, to push this topic into a better direction, lets now say that this is about the gases produced from a wastewater (Sewage treatment) biodigester.
Now, according to a post on a loosly related subject, "Hydrogen Sulfide Fuel Cell ", where it was commented:
"(a) very low amount of Hydrogen sulfide gas that will be given off by the anaerobic bacteria.
If I'm not mistaken in a digester with a healthy bacteria population your gas should be 50% to 70% methane 30 to 50% carbon dioxide
and less then 5% Hydrogen and Hydrogen sulfide displacing the 2 major gasses."

So, I would presume that the "Death Gas" (My own paraphrase) would not be a problem in this new consideration.
Now, we are talking about the gas(es) of such a digester bubbling up through fryolator oil/biodiesel, and the two being channeled into a burner of some sort.
What I am most curious about is again what the resulting gas(es) might be.
If you bubble carbon dioxide up through a tank of water and algae, I believe if done right, some proportion of the gas exiting would contain more Oxygen and less CO2.
Conversely, if you were to bubble Oxygen up through a tank of water and certain microorganisms or small "animal" life, the exiting gas(es) would contain more CO2 and less Oxygen.
So, to those incredibly educated individuals who know such detailed things, what happens if you bubble Methane, Oxygen or CO2, or some combination thereof up through fryolator oil/Biodiesel?
If the gas is flammable, it can potentially add to the amount an burn value of the oil.

NOTE: For aiding in the focus on this whole thing, the general point here is not only making the best use of every resource or waste, and/or coming up with as many diverse possibilities as possible with various things. If I have a system producing more of something than I can use, than excess can be channeled into some other use or to improve another process or resource.
Specifically, one aim in what I personally am designing is a basically enclosed pseudo biosphere, presumably (For concept sake) an air-tight environment/enclosure.
In such a system, there is the potential to run most everything on a single water pump (See Aquaponics), a single pneumatic (bubbler) system, and a single recirculating ventilation system.
In such an enclosure, maybe the air from a/the human or animal living areas could provide CO2 to planting areas; Air there could be essentially re-filtered for use by humans/animals, etc.
Sewage gets treated and once properly treated, gets used as fertilizer, fuel and water for plantings. - And so on...






 
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