• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Carla Burke
  • Nancy Reading
  • John F Dean
  • r ranson
  • Jay Angler
  • paul wheaton
stewards:
  • Pearl Sutton
  • Leigh Tate
  • Devaka Cooray
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • Timothy Norton
gardeners:
  • thomas rubino
  • Matt McSpadden
  • Jeremy VanGelder

Rewilding the world

 
Posts: 86
Location: Durham region - Ontario, Canada - Zone 5
2
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Sir, I wonder if you happen to have read George Monbiot's recent article on rewilding? Rewilding the World He discusses the megafauna that formerly roamed and the plant adaptation that is conjectured to have occurred due to those pressures.

Q1) I'm curious to know your thoughts on this subject, specifically do you see evidence that adaptation to megafauna still exists in areas where there currently is none? How can we best harness it?

Q2) Somewhat unrelated to the article but perhaps more important, when you are talking to a politician about the crisis of soil depletion what is your approach and what points seem to "hit home".

I wish we lived in a world that still contained 400lb sabretoothed salmon and 26ft wing-span Roc's...

Thank you for your time, insight and dedication
 
Author
Posts: 42
44
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Ed, yes I am aware of the idea of rewilding. Great idea but impractical perhaps with all of today’s interferences with movement of past mega herds and numbers – roads, towns, railways and more. And not needed if only we can get the holistic framework into international consciousness in time to avert disaster beyond imagination due to global desertification/climate change.
I sincerely believe that we can do what is required (and intended with re-wilding) using livestock as I outlined in the TED talk in conjunction with the holistic framework I did not have time to talk about.
No approach I am aware of hits home talking to any politician. Long ago working with two American Fulbright Scholars as I did in Africa we often talked of what we could achieve if only we could get an ecologist into Parliament. Well later I did and was even President of a political party – I found I could do nothing at all to move forward. I had not yet read Eric Ashby’s Reconciling Man with the Environment! And had I done so would not have wasted my time. As he points out using America and Britain as his case studies over the last 200 years – the politicians cannot lead with anything new but only when public opinion changes and it is safe to “lead”. Despite knowing, and having experienced this, I do keep trying in every way that I can in the hope of bringing about change short of waiting for mass public opinion change to save mankind as we are seeing with climate change right now.
 
Ed Johnson
Posts: 86
Location: Durham region - Ontario, Canada - Zone 5
2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Thank you very much.

I follow your pragmatism, ultimately we have to exist in this world and work with what we have.

Your insight into the political process is very valuable. I recall the old saying the monk who tried to change the world and realized after much struggle that he could only do so by changing himself.

I'll add Eric Ashby's book to the list.

All the best,

 
pollinator
Posts: 1981
Location: La Palma (Canary island) Zone 11
9
purity forest garden tiny house wofati bike solar
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Allan Savory wrote:politicians cannot lead with anything new but only when public opinion changes and it is safe to “lead”.



Thanks!
Politicians are much too much accused of bad things. They might be bad but this does not matter.
This is like the act of buying. They sell only what is bought by consumers.

In France, they wanted to pass a law for driving with the lights on. They advertised and first made a test with only suggestion.
They never tried to pass the law.
And I learned that they never propose a law without more than 50% of the people that agree with it.
 
Xisca Nicolas
pollinator
Posts: 1981
Location: La Palma (Canary island) Zone 11
9
purity forest garden tiny house wofati bike solar
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Before rewilding, we should re-animalize!
I am quite sad about the increasing message about the good of being vegetarians...
This can be good for some people's health, but not for everybody.
And this is bad for the soil health.

Agriculture and vegetarianism is also bad for the small wildlife.
The only animal that is allowed to feed on crops is man!

Well, there is a very sad image in an ecological well-known film: cattle overcrowded in bare land, and fed with corn and so on. they said it was stinking up to the plane! It can really induce people into thinking that cattle is bad for the land.

A film should be made with such striking examples as your "before & after" photos.
 
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work - Edison. Tiny ad:
turnkey permaculture paradise for zero monies
https://permies.com/t/267198/turnkey-permaculture-paradise-monies
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic