ant village

Bobby Davis wrote:I’m brand new to the thread, I was introduced to you(Paul) through Justin Rhodes three years ago. I want to rent an Ant plot to try out my designs. What’s the first step?

Gimmie monies!

Roger that, can I please have your contact information?

Special offer for the next 4 ants: $1600 + deposit to rent a plot from now through the end of 2023. Or 3 acres for $3200 + deposit. The deposit is $1500.

Go ahead and pay here:  https://permies.com/pp/3100/ant-village-rent_and_deposit

Thank you! I don’t have PayPal, so I’ll work on that. I appreciate you

Well, you wanna do crypto or maybe amazon gift card?

Have you read through the stuff in this thread?

Have you listened to my podasts?  read my books?  Do you know what you are getting yourself into?

I’ll come for a visit.

Bobby Davis wrote:I’ll come for a visit.

good choice!  sounds like the sepper program.

paul wheaton wrote:good choice!  sounds like the sepper program.

https://permies.com/wiki/sepper

Hello, I stumbled upon your page and I am very interested. My first question is if there are ant village spots available? If I am reading your material correctly those acre plots are $1600 + $1500 deposit for a year? If that is the case would it be possible to claim a plot say mid-may (money down) attend your permaculture design course mid June (paid in $ not work) and then work boot camp for four months to get that down payment on the plot back?

Assuming that is all true and plausible, do you have a overall map showing the base camp, the lab, and the ant village all together? Or how far is separating the ant village and the lab? Is the bootcamp a separate area or is that referring to various different tasks throughout the lab?

In terms of an ant plot, what is available to use and how much would I have to personally gain? Are chainsaws and various tools loaned out for a charge or I would it be my responsibility for finding the supplies I need?

I have many other questions but that will be a good start. I hope I am understanding your offerings correctly as this would be an incredible opportunity.

Thanks,
Justin Wilson

Jesup Wilson wrote:Hello, I stumbled upon your page and I am very interested. My first question is if there are ant village spots available? If I am reading your material correctly those acre plots are $1600 + $1500 deposit for a year? If that is the case would it be possible to claim a plot say mid-may (money down) attend your permaculture design course mid June (paid in $ not work) and then work boot camp for four months to get that down payment on the plot back?

Assuming that is all true and plausible, do you have a overall map showing the base camp, the lab, and the ant village all together? Or how far is separating the ant village and the lab? Is the bootcamp a separate area or is that referring to various different tasks throughout the lab?

In terms of an ant plot, what is available to use and how much would I have to personally gain? Are chainsaws and various tools loaned out for a charge or I would it be my responsibility for finding the supplies I need?

I have many other questions but that will be a good start. I hope I am understanding your offerings correctly as this would be an incredible opportunity.

Thanks,
Justin Wilson

I don't think it works that way.  I believe it is either rent paid in advance or work at the bootcamp in advance.  But maybe someone who knows more than I do has a different interpretation.

As far as tools go, someone from the bootcamp will have to weigh in on that.  

be sure to check out the current boots threads to get an idea what bootcamp is like day to day

https://permies.com/t/181512/permaculture-projects/SEPP-Boot-Stephen-Experience-BRK

https://permies.com/t/330/174418/permaculture-projects/Caleb-Bootcamp-Experience-BRK

https://permies.com/t/204896/permaculture-projects/Daniel-Bootcamp-Journey

“I don't think it works that way.  I believe it is either rent paid in advance or work at the bootcamp in advance.  But maybe someone who knows more than I do has a different interpretation.”


In https://permies.com/wiki/200/59706/permaculture-projects/permaculture-bootcamp-learn-permaculture-hard#773494 it states:
“Once the 4 month (or six month) point is hit, the ant village deposit is paid for as a cash deposit.  In theory, the boot could simply immediately leave and cash out.”
It seems to me like that 4 months has the same value of the plot payment. Since I would have already paid the plot payment I would think that payment would be returned. I may be wrong and there may be a problem with the sequence of events that I am proposing.

Jesup Wilson wrote:In https://permies.com/wiki/200/59706/permaculture-projects/permaculture-bootcamp-learn-permaculture-hard#773494 it states:
“Once the 4 month (or six month) point is hit, the ant village deposit is paid for as a cash deposit.  In theory, the boot could simply immediately leave and cash out.”
It seems to me like that 4 months has the same value of the plot payment. Since I would have already paid the plot payment I would think that payment would be returned. I may be wrong and there may be a problem with the sequence of events that I am proposing.

This is my understand (I haven't ask Paul):

S Rogers is correct, we don't give refund (payment processors and accountants don't like that). You can come to bootcamp and worktrade before an event or for ant village, but you can't pay for an event or ant village and then after working in the bootcamp get that money back.

Yes, 4 months in the bootcamp will get you a year in ant village. "Cash out" isn't giving you cash, it is claiming that benefit of the bootcamp.

Scenario: Someone joins bootcamp in November/December works in the bootcamp through the winter. In the spring once 4 months are up and the weather has warmed up so work can be down on the plot, they leave bootcamp and work on their plot through the summer. Then when winter comes they put in another 4 months in the bootcamp for next years ant payment.

Assuming that is all true and plausible, do you have a overall map showing the base camp, the lab, and the ant village all together? Or how far is separating the ant village and the lab? Is the bootcamp a separate area or is that referring to various different tasks throughout the lab?

Ant village is part of the lab, which is about 2 miles from basecamp.

Here is a rough map:

Is the rent for one year from payment or just for the rest of the year?

How does the rent of a plot work? What does the full process look like?

When does the “early bird” price of the PDC return to the normal rate?

I think the first step in the process is answer these questions:

paul wheaton wrote:Have you read through the stuff in this thread?

Have you listened to my podasts?  read my books?  Do you know what you are getting yourself into?

When does the “early bird” price of the PDC return to the normal rate?

I will get back to you on that.

paul wheaton wrote:Have you read through the stuff in this thread?

Have you listened to my podasts?  read my books?  Do you know what you are getting yourself into?

I am confident in my understanding of the situation. The requirement is the first 200 podcasts correct?

Would there be an updated photo of the plots currently available? (Or the old picture relabeled to show availability)

Jesup Wilson wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:Have you read through the stuff in this thread?

Have you listened to my podasts?  read my books?  Do you know what you are getting yourself into?

I am confident in my understanding of the situation. The requirement is the first 200 podcasts correct?

Would there be an updated photo of the plots currently available? (Or the old picture relabeled to show availability)

We don't have an updated photo because most (everyone since I have been helping out) would prefer to walk ant village and see the plots in person before picking one.

I think it is worth the couple hundred to visit as a SEPPer and see Ant Village and meet the community here before putting down a couple thousand dollars for a plot.

Jeff Bosch wrote:We don't have an updated photo because most (everyone since I have been helping out) would prefer to walk ant village and see the plots in person before picking one.

I think it is worth the couple hundred to visit as a SEPPer and see Ant Village and meet the community here before putting down a couple thousand dollars for a plot.

Could you provide me with a number of how many plots there are currently available? Just to know how many I would have to choose from.

So where I’m at now would be arrive June 7th, pay $200 for the 10 days of tent camping to get a feel for the place. Attend the PDC through July 1 and then make a decision about a long term stay. I was just concerned about the heads up time on one of the plots. After the PDC if I decided to stay would I just pay the fees and then be able to immediately start my stay or is there a certain amount of time I would need to give to start that?

Also is the payment for total one year or just till the end of that year since I would be arriving mid-year?

I don't know the number, that would have to come from Paul. I do know there is a variety of options.

I haven't heard of any delay in starting Ant village.

My first question is if there are ant village spots available?

yes!

If I am reading your material correctly those acre plots are $1600 + $1500 deposit for a year?

Yup!

And the year would be, in this case, 2023.

If that is the case would it be possible to claim a plot say mid-may (money down) attend your permaculture design course mid June (paid in $ not work) and then work boot camp for four months to get that down payment on the plot back?

You are the first person to ever request this.  

Here is a possible variation that has been done:  join the bootcamp now.  After a month in the bootcamp, you get your own acre as a "playspace" while you are in the bootcamp.   Once you have racked up four months in the bootcamp, you can havest the ant village offer.

Are chainsaws and various tools loaned out for a charge or I would it be my responsibility for finding the supplies I need?

Most ants use their own stuff.  Sometimes we rent out equipment.

In https://permies.com/wiki/200/59706/permaculture-projects/permaculture-bootcamp-learn-permaculture-hard#773494 it states:

Boot to Ant Program for 2019

Is the rent for one year from payment or just for the rest of the year?

Rest of year.  

The next year of ant rent is due on sep 30 every year.

When does the “early bird” price of the PDC return to the normal rate?

Looky thar!  It is not stated.  I will talk to beau.

As for the 200 podcasts thing, here is the best conversation about this at this time:

https://permies.com/t/175449/permaculture-projects/filtering-awesome-matches-deep-roots


The core of it is this:  this arrangement can be terminated by either party at any time.  The people that are residents here now know enough about me that they feel confident that i will not expel them.  Wouldn't it be a jumbo hassle if that happened?  

I feel like the offers we make are pretty great.  But if people show up expecting something other than what we offer and get sent down the road - that can be mighty frustrating.

Am I all caught up?  Did I answer all the questions?

paul wheaton wrote:

When does the “early bird” price of the PDC return to the normal rate?

Looky thar!  It is not stated.  I will talk to beau.

Not published yet.  Probably around the end of March.

When does the next boot camp start?

Bobby Davis wrote:When does the next boot camp start?

Bootcamp is always happening.  New boots can choose from a range of start days after they sign up, fill out the form, pay the fee, and email Paul.

details: https://permies.com/bootcamp

Bobby Davis wrote:When does the next boot camp start?

Here are the next few start dates with openings.

february 5
february 26 (PDC and PTJ)
march 19
april 9
april 23

Perfect. I’ll do bootcamp, make sure we mesh, then buy my plot in any village

Bobby Davis wrote:Perfect. I’ll do bootcamp, make sure we mesh, then buy my plot in any village

Smooth!

moving some questions to this thread ....

Is there any available ant spots?

Yup!

Could I park my motorhome on the spot while I build a fence? Like would a 30’ motorhome make it there or is it 4x4 only?

It can get up there this time of year.  Easy.

We don't allow the running of generators.

We allow something like that to be parked up there for five months.  The idea is to be able to stay in there while you get something more aligned with our values built.

I realize this is an old thread but it sounds like a super good chance to get merit badges at camp while having a really fun time doing what I love…

Skip stuff?  Yes.

and it sounds like I can bring my wife baby and 2 dogs right? I mean day 1+2 be fencing for me. I’ve got lots of tools and experience and my wife is a pioneer woman.

Sounds fine.  

Also is the local hardware store reasonable for t posts and hog wire or should I get them at like Home Depot on my way through Missoula ?

Dunno.  I haven't researched it in a while.


We originally made ant village for the people that have listened to all of my podcasts.  But the core of that is, that we need to know that you are a fit for our community.  Have you read my books?  Specifically thorns?  Or maybe you have listened to a lot of podcasts?

paul wheaton wrote:moving some questions to this thread ..…..

Is there any available ant spots?

Yup

All about the no generators thing. I’ll take ours out and replace with more batteries for the solar on the motorhome.
Totally wouldn’t want to live in a motorhome longer than 5 months. All about that rammed earth passive solar structures to call home. Earthship like minus tires I like using 6x6 timber forms.

No on books. I’d love to though!
I have heard a few of your podcasts and basically everything Sepp Holzer has in English and I’ve watched his German stuff with subtitles.
I just bought the world domination bundle but have shite internet I thought it was dvd lol when I get better internet I’ll watch that.
I’ll start listening to your podcasts in order now. I’m honored you replied to my comment personally thank you Paul… and everyone for telling me how to get those podcasts.

Hi Dalton!

You can find the podcasts here!

https://permies.com/f/88/permaculture-podcast

Dalton Dycer wrote:I’ll start listening to your podcasts in order now…those podcasts are on Spotify or somewhere on permies?

I listen to them at https://richsoil.com/permaculture/category/podcast

Christopher Weeks wrote:

Dalton Dycer wrote:I’ll start listening to your podcasts in order now…those podcasts are on Spotify or somewhere on permies?

I listen to them at https://richsoil.com/permaculture/category/podcast

You lead me here, so thank you I learned from you. I appreciate your kindness and looking out Christopher!

I am interested in this. I am in the process of getting my harp therapeutic practitioner certification. Playing harp for hospice, nursing homes, etc is my profession. I have wanted to create my own cob home and food forest for myself for the last 10 years. I am 55 and solo.

Does anyone have an idea how I could be an "ant" and still make money by playing harp as end-of-life care? I am trying to figure out how this could work. Especially if people are only allowed to leave 2x a week. I'm assuming having people come to my "plot" isn't an option as that would increase vehicle traffic. Or, it could be that I've waiting too long and my age is the factor that makes this a no-go.

I'm assuming this is a group post. Any ideas on how or if this could work would be greatly appreciated.

Blessings,
Tana Lee

This is not a fit.  At least if what you are doing is an in-person thing.

What we are trying to accomplish is something where people eventually create a humble home with a big garden.  And they might go a month without leaving - because everything they want is here.  

So, if a person has a workee-job, it seems that they would want to live close to their job.  Not way out away from their job and have a huge commute to work.

Ant Village was founded in 2015. I’d imagine that nearly 9years later it’s well-developed. I’m curious if there are any plots currently available? My husband and I have a 3yr old child and a 10yr old dog. Renting a plot looks like the most viable option for joining your pioneering community. As our homestead’s been surrounded with GMO cornfields on all sides, we’re hoping to relocate asap.