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for the bast 3 years i have been tailoring and tweaking a babington ball furnace. it is the ugliest damn thing you ever seen. the heat out put is stellar. now, having discovered the rocket mass heater and after building a stack of bricks burning junk wood to prove the theory, i am moving on to firing the stack of bricks with a babington ball.

one of my challenges in the past was pulling too much heat off the burn too soon and creating soot buildup. this insulated heat riser in the rocket mass heater is going to make my world a much nicer place.

so now, on to the invitation for input, experience...

has anyone experimented with the length of the burn chamber in relation to the length of the "flamage", be it wood or something else flammable? at the present the babington ball "flamage" is about 14 to 16 inches. a beautiful dragon's breath geyser of fire shooting out about 3 degrees up from horizontal

i am thinking of 4-6 inches of burn tunnel past the end of the "flamage" before the 90 degree corner into the vertical heat riser. the widest outsider diameter of the "flamage" off my b/ball fire breathing dragon is about 5", so a 6"square burn tunnel should work out bout right, into a 8" heat riser. and 8" flue system

comments please.

thanks msj113
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Way back when I went to oil burner Tech school, Rude utilities, had a warehouse actually under the shadow of a New york State Prison that had held Confederate soldiers during the
'War between the States '

The Babington burner is not quite that old, the service Rep from the Delavan oil burner nozzle Co. made the statement that a perfectly working Delavan nozzle broke the #1 or #2
fuel oil down into approximately one million drops a second and controlled the arc of the spay (new ) to 1 degree of angle, and that it was 10 to 20 times finer droplet size than the
Babbington Burner !

All these years later I have No way of checking that information ! It would be a hoot to see a working model, most oil burners today have a flame retention head on them to prevent
flame extension and the resulting flame impact with, the combustion chamber.

a small piece of dirt will partially plug a standard oil burner nozzle causing contact with the combustion chamber walls and smoking and even the development of horns of carbon
based soot,

I don't know what you want to accomplish with this piece of antiquity, but more power to yah,

Keep us informed ! Big AL
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Precision Atomization - As far as I know a liquid that is flash vaporized by high heat creates the smallest particle size possible to the point of cracking molecules into plasma. That is the basis for Paul Pantone's GEET system. I am about to test my own greatly simplified version of GEET and will be truly on demand. I am using high heat to flash liquids into vapor and then send the vapor through an even hotter small orifice to break the vapors down further. All done with no oxygen present. Oxygen will be added just prior to the engine cylinder. Fuel will be a very high percent H2O with ethanol and or diesel mixed in. If it works I will probably open source it on the Panacea University site. Alan
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thanks for the replies

my question being, is there a optimum distance in the burn chamber, from the end of the "flameage" (whatever the fuel) to the 90degree transition into the insulated heatriser in the rmh

hey there big al
and so that piece of grit that can plug a nozzle is eliminated by the fact that the oil flows over the outside of the ball in a very consistent thickness, due to some arcane law of physics written long before the war between the states.... the only filtering I do to the oil is 1/16" hardware cloth ahead of my bulk transfer pump. followed by a month or two of undisturbed settling,
only compressed air is passing thru the .040mm "nozzle" in my b/ball thus ripping a very fine mist off the skin of oil flowing over the ball. the three degrees above horizontal is only there for the fact that I didn't drill the hole straight / horizontal. have a look at the spout of stuff above a whales blow hole, it ain't whale snot man, that is sea water bro, the blast of air from the blow hole rips sea water from the whales skin. I wonder how high a starfish would fly if it were in the over that hole when......

alan go for it
the geet system is fascinating !! oh if we could crack it to pure plasma. if it doesn't work is the prime time to open source it, there are some truly gifted garage imagineers and experimenters out here in cyberspace. I for one will follow your progress, trials, and tribulations. but there again I would have to spend more time preparing the oil, then what to do with all that nasty suspended in the wmo, for now I just burn it too, after all its just unburnt fuel.

thanks again for the replies

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