Has anyone tried this here in Missoula? Does Garden City Harvest have any hoop houses? If not, it would be cool to try and get a big hoop house set up this next fall so people could experiment with growing greens or spinach or whatever. Just kind of thinking out loud...
And then I was at this workshop where a rocket mass heater was added to a raised bed in a similar greenhouse. The idea is that you would build a fire once and the heat would last for days later.
On a similar note, would growing through Missoula winters be a good time to use greenhouse in a greenhouse techniques? Does anyone have experience doing this?
Any idea how much a simple grow light costs? Home Resource would be a great place to start looking for containers or materials for containers. Where would you go for a grow light?
Is Caras Nursery open year-round?
Before I knew it was going to snow until June, I germinated a few things, intending to transplant them. I took some sweet potatoes that I never ate, cut them up as my mom said was the way to plant regular potatoes and stuck them in a couple large terra cotta pots in the basement. It was a half basement and the windows were large and south facing. Also, the snow that my hometown gets usually falls at night, leaving a cloudless sky in the morning. This allowed for plenty of sunlight and a heater in the room kept the plants warm at night. When I finally got a chance to transplant, the sweet potatoes were beautiful and vibrant, strong vines overflowing out of the pot. Within a few days, they died back to a few inches in height, whereupon my mom's puppy dug them up (hmm... two dog digging years in a row!). That ending contrasted so much with how well they did in the pots that I wonder if I should have just let them grow out the rest of the season in their containers.
So, sweet potatoes for one idea? I also grew some onions and garlic and they grew alright. I'm not sure I can judge that batch because the onions started from a kind of moldy sprout. I peeled off the obvious moldy layer before planting them and they did alright after that, but then I went and put them in a container that wasn't drained well enough. Same for the garlic. Eventually, I transferred all of them to the terra cotta pots and they seemed to perk up a little after that just before I transplanted them and they all met the fate of the sweet potatoes. Who knows what might have happened if I had kept them in their containers as well. Or if the dog wasn't so interested in copying my digging spot. It's a good thing she was so cute...
Home resource could be a really good source for building materials, but I would try to make sure the wood wasn't treated with any chemicals. Otherwise, it sounds great. I kind of want to go exploring there now. Do they have anything that would work for a container?
He does grow citrus outdoors in a climate very similar to missoula.
He manages to raise a few pigs in such a way that he never buys feed, nor does he harvest feed and re-feed it to them in the winter. The pigs forage all winter.
He does something similar with chickens, but does put a little away for the chickens and ends up feeding the chickens on the ten coldest days of the winter.
He does harvest food for himself all year - without a greenhouse. The films will show some of that.
Larry Evans (aka the mushroom man) grows lots year-round.
Destini Vaile wrote:
Call me a purist, but is it possible to do this without using any extra electricity?
I think all of the examples I have cited use no extra electricity.
I put together a home made version of an "Earthbox" which is just a big tub (plastic bin) that self waters from the bottom up. I do use electricity for the shop lights but find them quite worth the expense as the lights and plants really brighten up my dark house in winter. I've got spinach, herbs and lettuce about to take over the kitchen and pretty much anything else can be grown too.
The self watering is great. You can leave for a week or two at a time and not worry about the plants if you've filled the bottom reservoir.
Soon I'll start planting vegie starts for my garden under the lights too.
You can do a search on "IY Earthbox" or "self-watering planter" and get lots of great info and tutorials online. Or they sell the original item out at Caras I think. It's basically 2 large plastic bins stacked inside each other. You put buckets in the bottom one to stack the second one. The bottom one becomes the water reservoir, the top one is your planter. You drill a hole in the side of the reservoir and insert a fill tube. (I didn't want the tube sticking out permanently so I use a long funnel to fill mine.) The reservoir holds enough water for a week or 10 days. The water moves up into the planter via wicking action.
I've put my worm castings in mine a few times so have plenty of worms working in the planter as well.
I have found pretty much the same with LED grow lights.
regular halide lights come in 400 and 1000 watts.... so they use that much for the whole time they are on... would need to keep about 10-12 hrs of light. Kinda costly,
but if you had a greenhouse and only used the lights for supplemental light... like an hour or two morning and night it might not be too bad.
combine that with the doubled up greenhouse and heated beds ala rocket mass stove..... could be done.....
Im adding one to my main greenhouse this year and will see how it does.
companions: beans, corn, marigold, broccoli, garlic
enemies: pumpkin, sunflower, tomato, raspberries
pH: 50. to 5.4 (the overlap from seven sources)
Do you think this would work?
You know those full spectrum light bulbs that people with seasonal depression are suppose to use, could you use one of those as a grow light for plants?
Yes the green home tour is very cool & now we have a lot more to show off.
Like this one:
Gold Dust Apartments - Missoula, MT
homeWORD begins each development with an intensive design charrette. The Gold Dust design charrette involved over 70 low-income families, neighbors, artists, professionals, and elected officials. Charrette participants volunteered a day and a half to learn about, wrestle with, and propose innovative strategies for developing high quality affordable housing. The Gold Dust has a 15kW photovoltaic array which produces about ¼ to ½ of the total power needed for the apartments. There are 88 panels in the system, each measuring 32 x 64 inches. The panels produce DC power, which is converted by inverters in the building basement to AC. This AC power is then fed back to the utility grid and is made available to the Gold Dust apartments. Excess power is sold back to the utility. More Here:http://www.designadvisor.org/green/gold_dust.htm
Seth Pogue wrote:
Anybody have information on how well Sugar Maple does in our soils?
The city of missoula is riddled with sugar maples.
Dianne Keast wrote:
I love sun chokes & since I'm allergic to potatoes I eat chokes instead, I would like it if I could grow them, especially in an indoor pot in the winter.
Do you think this would work?
Sunchokes do excellent in the missoula area.
paul wheaton wrote:
The city of missoula is riddled with sugar maples.
Most of the trees that line the streets, particularly in the U District, are almost always called "Norway Maples." Is that the same as a sugar maple, because if it is, next year I am going for syrup when the sap rises in the spring.
Sugar maples and norway maples look a lot alike. And I've never heard of anybody tapping a norway maple. Might be a good idea to learn the difference before you start tapping!
A few years ago, some students in my applied ecology class decided to see how long they could grow greens in one of the PEAS farm green houses if they put cold frames inside the green house.
On the last day of class in mid December, they treated the class to huge salads of greens they had just picked.
As I recall, they said they continued to have greens until mid January when extremely low temperatures finally caused a freeze inside the cold frames in the green house.
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