Search...
Home Subscribe
Pie
Home Subscribe
Recent topics Flagged topics Hot topics Best topics
Search...
Search within hugelkultur Search permies
Advance search Google search
Register / Login
Better Wood Heat DIY Rocket Mass Heater DVD IC.org permaculture bootcamp sketch with tools Better wood heat - rocket mass heaters GMC website
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
Building a Better World Book with people picking apples WGD pond IC.org GMC website Better Wood Heat DIY Rocket Mass Heater DVD
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Nancy Reading
  • Carla Burke
  • r ranson
  • John F Dean
  • paul wheaton
  • Pearl Sutton
stewards:
  • Jay Angler
  • Liv Smith
  • Leigh Tate
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • Timothy Norton
gardeners:
  • thomas rubino
  • Jeremy VanGelder
  • Maieshe Ljin

Hugelkultur bed with a twist...

 
Jamie Wallace
Posts: 82
Location: Lantzville, Vancouver Island,BC Cool temperate, Lat. 49.245 Zone 8a
6
posted 10 years ago
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I built my first hugelkultur bed this year with a good quantity of well rotted logs that were placed in a shallow trench. The soil I placed on top was a mixture of clay subsoil and compost. It turns out the compost material was not fully finished and is showing temperatures that indicate it is still active. The interesting part of this is two fold:
1) The active compost is creating ideal situation for seed germination.
2) This compost pile lost heat during the winter and some of the kitchen scraps I added to this were not cooked down, so I have about 20 winter squash seedlings germinating. Perhaps (in my cool temperate climate), this would give us a jump on the season so to speak. Long season crops like winter squash can be challenging to germinate in our cool springs, this bottom heat overrides this issue.
I thought this might be of interest to a few.
IMG_5242.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5242.JPG]
The compost I thought was finished is still active
IMG_5243.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5243.JPG]
Potatoes along the base, garlic, strawberries, peas, figs, soon to have blueberries added
IMG_5244.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5244.JPG]
Numerous winter squash seedlings...

Jaan Designs-http://www.jaandesigns.ca
Raindrop harvesting-http://raindropharvesting.ca

 
Josh Pasholk
gardener
Posts: 153
Location: Southern Oregon
40
2
posted 10 years ago
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
That looks great! I love the winter squash "volunteers".

Long time zealous Paul supporter. Redditor, writer, podcaster, disc golfer. One day I'll be at the lab.

Want to chat in real time with other homesteaders? Join the /r/homestead Discord Server!

 
Jamie Wallace
Posts: 82
Location: Lantzville, Vancouver Island,BC Cool temperate, Lat. 49.245 Zone 8a
6
posted 10 years ago
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Thanks Josh...yes its just starting to get going and the squash is a bonus.
I counted over 30 this morning, 20 on the south side, 10 on the north.
Good fun....last year we grew over 1800 lbs of winter squash.

Jaan Designs-http://www.jaandesigns.ca
Raindrop harvesting-http://raindropharvesting.ca

 
Josh Pasholk
gardener
Posts: 153
Location: Southern Oregon
40
2
posted 10 years ago
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Omfg, that's a lot of squash! I am just starting out and I haven't had any success with winter squash yet, but I'm working with very limited space and resources.

Alas, one day..one day.

Long time zealous Paul supporter. Redditor, writer, podcaster, disc golfer. One day I'll be at the lab.

Want to chat in real time with other homesteaders? Join the /r/homestead Discord Server!

 
Jamie Wallace
Posts: 82
Location: Lantzville, Vancouver Island,BC Cool temperate, Lat. 49.245 Zone 8a
6
posted 10 years ago
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Here's an image of last years crop Josh. Lots of sun, lots of compost and we were fortunate to receive a good warm fall to max ripening.
IMG_4416.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_4416.JPG]
Our squash exploding last year...

Jaan Designs-http://www.jaandesigns.ca
Raindrop harvesting-http://raindropharvesting.ca

 
Josh Pasholk
gardener
Posts: 153
Location: Southern Oregon
40
2
posted 10 years ago
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Now that's a squash surplus!! Wow, I can't wait until I have that kind of abundance conning from my yard.

Long time zealous Paul supporter. Redditor, writer, podcaster, disc golfer. One day I'll be at the lab.

Want to chat in real time with other homesteaders? Join the /r/homestead Discord Server!

 
Roland Deschain
Posts: 4
posted 10 years ago
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
That's an impressive hill. I'm just starting to wrap my head around hugelkultur and I'm wondering about using it for a raspberry or blueberry hedge. Does it get too hot to plant berry bushes the first year, or do you think it would be alright to plant them when I first build the mound?
 
Jamie Wallace
Posts: 82
Location: Lantzville, Vancouver Island,BC Cool temperate, Lat. 49.245 Zone 8a
6
posted 10 years ago
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hi Roland
It is my understanding that the top of a hugel mound will be drier and warmer than normal, the lower you go down the mound you go the more available water. My plan is to plant some blueberries along the lower portion of the mound as they are moisture lovers. My answer to your question would be yes, but I would love to hear what others think. As a side note I'm not sure where you are located, that would play into this as well...warm drier climate would yield different results.

Jaan Designs-http://www.jaandesigns.ca
Raindrop harvesting-http://raindropharvesting.ca

 
Jamie Wallace
Posts: 82
Location: Lantzville, Vancouver Island,BC Cool temperate, Lat. 49.245 Zone 8a
6
posted 10 years ago
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I thought I would post an update on my mound. I have at least 60 volunteer squash along with an assortment of intentional plants including tomatoes, arugula, strawberries, small fig layers, sun chokes, fennel, Orach (sp?), garlic, peas, kale, watermelon...most if not all are looking good. I had some sprouting seed potatoes I laid on the ground at the base of the mound and have been hilling them up, looks like one row is an early variety the other mid or late. The mound is still sitting around 90 f which seem to be inhibiting some small sections of seedlings...having lots of fun and noticing how little work it takes versus some of our other growing areas.
IMG_5407.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5407.JPG]
Potatoes are happily growing at the mound base.
IMG_5408.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5408.JPG]
Started potatoes by placing on hard compacted ground and hilling or mulching ontop
IMG_5409.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5409.JPG]
North-east side of the mound

Jaan Designs-http://www.jaandesigns.ca
Raindrop harvesting-http://raindropharvesting.ca

 
Jamie Wallace
Posts: 82
Location: Lantzville, Vancouver Island,BC Cool temperate, Lat. 49.245 Zone 8a
6
posted 10 years ago
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Okay
Things are getting weird. First my hugel mound was cooking....still seems to be...now the small potatoes mounds are heating up as you can see in the attached image.
The potatoes were placed onto some hard, compacted ground and I've been placing a soil/compost blend over them as they come up. Yesterday they looked a bit stressed...i put my hand in the ground and it was warm, I confirmed this with a compost thermometer. I guess the active mound is influencing the small potato hills?
IMG_5423.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5423.JPG]
Potatoes at the base of hugel mound
IMG_5428.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5428.JPG]
WTF?

Jaan Designs-http://www.jaandesigns.ca
Raindrop harvesting-http://raindropharvesting.ca

 
Brian Knight
Posts: 554
Location: Asheville NC
8
posted 10 years ago
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Whats the update? Your temperature didnt seem high to me but Iam from the south.

"If you want to save the environment, build a city worth living in." - Wendell Berry

 
Dale Hodgins
Posts: 9002
Location: Victoria British Columbia-Canada
707
posted 10 years ago
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
With those temperatures a hot compost would quickly do its thing and burn out unless more material were added. Your mound is a solar collector.

My slash piles are the hottest part of the property. The sun is responsible. I know this because it is high in carbon and low in nitrogen. It's also very acidic. I'm not losing volume as would be expected in a hot compost.
 
Jamie Wallace
Posts: 82
Location: Lantzville, Vancouver Island,BC Cool temperate, Lat. 49.245 Zone 8a
6
posted 10 years ago
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
    Send
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
The bed is still in the 100-110 F range. The squash love it, the potatoes at the base hate it. I lost most of the first row, these were close enough to gain some activity/heat off the hugelkulture bed. Never seen anything like it, the stems were completely cooked and very small potatoes were trying to form. If I planted 100 lbs I'll get maybe 25 lbs back. Live and learn.
IMG_5646.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5646.JPG]
Volunteer squash seedlings are now dominant
IMG_5650.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5650.JPG]
Queensland blue volunteer
IMG_5653.JPG
[Thumbnail for IMG_5653.JPG]
Land of the squash

Jaan Designs-http://www.jaandesigns.ca
Raindrop harvesting-http://raindropharvesting.ca

 
roses are red, violets are blue. Some poems rhyme and some are a tiny ad:
2024 Permaculture Adventure Bundle
https://permies.com/w/bundle
reply
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
Boost this thread!
Similar Threads
More...