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Charlie Calhoun
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Hello everyone,
I live in an urban area in Virginia and I have a grapevine that I'd like to plant, but there isn't a clearly obvious place to put it, so I'm seeking some advice.

Potential spot #1 is at the corner of a deck, where I would train it grow at a 90 degree angle in two directions. The south side of the deck gets the most sun, perhaps around 7 hours with a little of that being dappled sun. The west side probably gets at most 6 hours of sun, but even more dappled as the sun moves around buildings and a tree.

Potential spot #2 is by a retaining wall with a nice fence on top that ought to have something growing on it. It starts getting full direct sunlight between 12-1pm, until sunset. My concern is that the roots would have only one direction to grow (away from the wall), and they may even be strong enough to buckle the concrete wall? Don't want to cause problems for the landlord.

Thoughts?
 
Lucia Moreno
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I would put it in the deck because I assume it would shade the house from the Southern and Western sun.

As for the wall, I've never heard of a grape vine that upsets a wall and here in Spain there are lots growing against walls. But my personal experience is limited.

On the other hand, you could plant two vines

Cheers,
LucĂ­a
 
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Lucia Moreno wrote:
On the other hand, you could plant two vines


HomeDepot has a 50% off sale right now on grapes! If you like them, take cuttings when you eventually move. Or, if you know someone with grapes, skip HomeDepot and take 2 cuttings.
 
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Cj Verde wrote:HomeDepot has a 50% off sale right now on grapes!


Until Home Depot and other big box stores change their use of systemic pesticides, you might want to buy your plants somewhere else. Read up on how to take cuttings from an existing vine and eliminate the middleman.

http://www.fastcoexist.com/3015742/home-depots-bee-friendly-plants-are-actually-killing-the-bees
 
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Patrick Mann wrote:
Until Home Depot and other big box stores change their use of systemic pesticides, you might want to buy your plants somewhere else.


All the ag stores I go to sell pesticides. Even the mom & pop stores. I suspect that if my state banned selling them, people would still buy them online or the next state over. It's people we've got to convince, not the stores that supply them.
 
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It's not that they sell pesticides, but that they sell plants that have been treated with systemic (i.e. they pervade the plant, including the pollen which can kill pollinators) pesticides.
Customers can choose not to buy pesticides. But the plants aren't labeled as having been treated - customers cannot tell which are harmless and which are toxic.
 
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Interesting article. I normally start my plants from seed but sometimes I do have to purchase some like this year the peppers & eggplant didn't germinate. The only way to guarantee no pesticides might be to purchase at the farmers marker.

Back OT, the grape vine I purchased didn't haven any foliage so hopefully it'll live and not hurt my bees.
 
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Patrick Mann wrote:Customers can choose not to buy pesticides. But the plants aren't labeled as having been treated - customers cannot tell which are harmless and which are toxic.


True, but even the mom & pop stores tend to purchase their plants for sale so there's no point singling out the big box stores. Labels would be great.
 
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Fortunately I got the grapevine for "free", in return for some volunteer work, at a local nursery that is committed to not using pesticides. I'm also on the lookout for scuppernongs - if I find any, that's what I'll take a cutting of.
 
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Charlie Calhoun wrote:I'm also on the lookout for scuppernongs - if I find any, that's what I'll take a cutting of.


Dare I ask? What's a scuppernong?
 
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Cj Verde wrote:

Dare I ask? What's a scuppernong?


From my Google Dictionary extension: A variety of the muscadine grape native to the basin of the Scuppernong River in North Carolina.

The extension is great, double click on any word on the screen and a little box pops up with a short definition.
 
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