HOA's each practice their own particular brand of communism and each one is different.
Even simple pergolas can be beautiful as long as they aren't barren. Please, dear god, don't let them say they are fine with a pergola as long as it doesn't have anything growing on it.. I see that EVERYWHERE; people spend hundreds/thousands of dollars erecting pergolas and do absolutely NOTHING with them.
Drives me insane.. Mexican Flame Vines are $3 at the big orange box.. buy one! I might actually start guerrilla gardening those pergolas..
Luckily I live in an unincorporated neighborhood.. I have some neighbors with Jasmine 2ft thick (they never prune it) on theirs and another with passion flower vines growing.
I'm building a knee high wattle fence this weekend so my pups don't run across the street.. I'm sure a HOA would go berserk if they saw a wattle fence.
The pergola (to match the wattle fence) is planned for the sunny side of my house near the A/C so I can shade it with Muscadines in the Summer and leave it barren in the winter.. Assuming my muscadines actually sprout this coming spring. If not i'll put it off until they do.
Andrea, I very much agree with you.
Andrea Hooper wrote:If a neighbor's first interaction with this vast wisdom is not positive, it will color the way they see future effects
My concern is more general than just neighbours-I need my place to demonstrate to all and sundry that it's possible for things to be beautiful and practical
A few things to think about with kiwifruit (I'm not familiar with hardy kiwis but I think all varieties have similar habits)
1) They are extremely rampant, needing major pruning to fruit well, and an very strong trellis/structure
On a related note, vines that don't die down in winter can be quite hard on a trellis/structure and make maintanence difficult.
2) It's a personal taste thing of course, but I don't think of kiwis as a 'statement' vine
3) You must have male and female plants for pollination.
Many small-scale growers over here graft a male vine onto a female plant so you don't have an entire non-fruiting male plant.
A few climbers I like that aren't too invasive-I have no idea if they'll work in your climate though...
Roses are lovely, but maybe not where they're going to grab you and your car
I've never seen hyacynth bean, but that could be cool
Oh good: Irene has the 'beautiful and practical' thing totally sorted!
Irene Kightley wrote:Why don't you take a photo of the site for the carport and the house and its surroundings and we can give you ideas ?
As you can see, the home has a repetition of simple, straight lines. The popular pergolas are too textured for the look and age of the home. I need something far more "americana". What do you think? I like the idea of putting a prettier vine closer to the street to help "the view".
If you mix materials it might make it feel bigger clunkier, plus you want the support posts to be climbable by the vines right? Maybe you could reduce the beam size to be the same as some element of the house, like the thickness of the gutters etc to make everything tie together. Of course most people park a big ugly car thing in front of their house, a nice well maintained structure shouldn't be that much worse. How close to the curb do you intend to go? That ay affect people's perception.
I was sort of day dreaming about the thing. Every one always seems to put one type of vine up, even though monoculture isn't such a good thing. What would happen if you alternated two types of vines, or maybe even more? Maybe a sun loving one on the sunny side and one that would appreciate shade on the other side? (no idea about your orientation) You might want to balance things for vigour, otherwise you'll be pruning one type of vine to keep it from taking over, but I'm not sure about what grows nicely in your area. I would personally look into a passion flower vine, a grape, a honey suckle and a kiwi. That way you'd get a variety of fruits and flowers.
My car loving friend says to consider scarlet runners because you don't want fruit falling on your car.
The hubby gets suuuuper annoyed with cars in the driveway, so stained concrete is more of a problem. Does wisteria fix nitrogen? It would be substantial enough to balance out something aggressive. I'll have to look at designs that mix media with an eye to your warning. You might be right about the clunkiness. Isn't daydreaming fun?! A woman's version of measure twice, cut one. hahaha! Daydream all year for a weekend's worth of work.
Its flowers may be edible - but it seems that the other parts are toxic. with a little one around you might want to be careful to model safe eating habits.
Pruning heavily doesn't bug me too much. I don't have such a large property that the work would overwhelm me. In fact, having something I could count on to provide heavy shade in the summer, that could then provide mulch, has definite perks. I really appreciate being able to bounce my random thoughts off others. Yay for permiwebsites and fellow hippies!!
Here's a nice pergola with a wisteria on it, at least I think that's some sort of wisteria. The leaves look like wisteria, but it doesn't have the purple hanging flowers. . .
The pergola with the trumpet vine is almost identical to yours, Genevieve. Maybe a little more slender. But I can see now what you were getting at. You guys rock!
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