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Terry Ruth
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This is more a natural builder question but I think it applies to any builder. I never took the time to look close at carpet since I figured I could talk my clients out of it. I am gathering from people especially Realtor's that may not be the case. So the question becomes if we have to put wall-to-wall carpet in the house for reasons like people want a cushioned floor for medical reasons (ankles, knees, etc) or a place for the kids to plop down in front of the TV, and do not like cold floors that do not have a hydroponic radiation what carpet do we use? I know the stain guards and other chemicals can be toxic. Some can create a vapor barrier trapping moisture in the sub-floors creating mold. I'm thinking of using wall-to-wall in bedrooms only in my spec design, throw rugs on my hard floors elsewhere when I stage my homes. So lets include area and throw rugs you may know of in the discussions and the manufactures name.

Has anyone ran across an inert bio all natural vapor permeable carpet or rugs? Or, close to and available at your local big national chain supplier? Most of my products are being shipped in since they are better, can't afford the shipping cost of heavy carpet too. I wished we had better building products in America more readily available.
 
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We had a person with similar wants at a job site.

I showed them http://www.earthweave.com/
They are out of Dalton, GA.
The cost is $5 to $6 sqft compared to $1 to $3 sqft with normal homedepot carpet.
But throw in the earth weave padding too and the price jumps up a good bit more.

Needless to say it wasn't that big of a priority when the $$$ started racking up.

They ended up going the relatively cheaper route and we laid hardwood throughout the house and just placed a few area rugs.
 
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Thanks Terry...this post was a long time coming and I hope many contribute links, methods and experiences with this topic.

I love textiles of all types...Especially traditional ones, and rugs, carpets, and tapestries which have been with us for millenia!

Natural or synthetic, I don't care for "glue back" rug types. I much prefer woven or hand knotted-braided rugs, and though a time consuming craft, it is actually a very easy DIY project to start on a rug loom or frame and just let is sit in the corner of a room to be worked at when the spirit moves us...

This is more a natural builder question but I think it applies to any builder. I never took the time to look close at carpet since I figured I could talk my clients out of it.


Knock on wood...(pun ) I have talked everyone of them out of "wall to wall" (WTW) poisons and headaches...as I like to call it. Glad you are doing the same...

I am gathering from people especially Realtor's that may not be the case. So the question becomes if we have to put wall-to-wall carpet in the house for reasons like people want a cushioned floor for medical reasons (ankles, knees, etc) or a place for the kids to plop down in front of the TV, and do not like cold floors that do not have a hydroponic radiation what carpet do we use?


First to drive your point home with realtors and related project manager types...Have a liability waver drawn up that hold you and your LLC harmless from any damage, health related issues, or other mitigating challenges that may stem from the WTW. This makes everyone sit up a take notice that you are serious about not being behind the installation. As soon a I started to do this it never moved passed actually "asking for the waiver," as this tends to then make someone else feel responsible, and we know the carpet manufactures don't ever honor their guarantees unless taken to court. Rugs are much more comfortable to "fall on," yet are also a contributing factor to many falls because they trip, and/or fail to give the stable foundation that many elderly folks need to walk safely. There are several books and articles on "Geriatric Architectural Design," that is worth reading and understanding. Soft to fall on...YES...much nicer...but...much harder to walk on...YES!! And sorry, it is a fallacy that carpets help bad backs...if anything they can exacerbate misaligned bone structure. If somebody's circulatory or related osteopathic conditions is so challenge to need special floor treatments, then I can think of a number of better alternatives and/or solutions than WTW. Don't let anyone try to play this card on you.

I know the stain guards and other chemicals can be toxic. Some can create a vapor barrier trapping moisture in the sub-floors creating mold. I'm thinking of using wall-to-wall in bedrooms only in my spec design, throw rugs on my hard floors elsewhere when I stage my homes. So lets include area and throw rugs you may know of in the discussions and the manufactures name.


I should note here some other locations that are an issue for any rug...Basements. Of all the places not to place carpeting that is "attached" it would be a basement...that is just an issue waiting to happen. They trap moisture, old it, are hard to effectively dry out, pollute the air that tends to be more stagnant in basements to begin with. Personally, if you are getting tangled up by the building site project managers for the details of your build, it is time to really push back or build someplace else.

If they (client-Relators) want WTW, get a wavier and make them pay top dollar for the service. From our perspective (the design/builder that is) rugs are no different than the kitchen table, tv, and couch. These are furnishings we have nothing to do with on most "turnkey" projects. If a client wants them, the let us know up front which rooms not to lay finish flooring on. Then again, I don't use plywood or most panel products in my work, but if I do, it is spec'd well in advance and the source and type of it. This WTW issue is much more a "normative culture" aspect of "client want" than "client need," and cost and liability often will help them rapidly make better decisions. So for the sake of a healthier house and our building logistics avoid this burden as much as possible.

Has anyone ran across an inert bio all natural vapor permeable carpet or rugs? Or, close to at available at your local big national chain supplier? Most of my products are being shipped in since they are better, can't afford the shipping cost of heavy carpet too. I wished we had better building products in America more readily available.


I wish we had better building materials (and practices) here in America also...It is a shame and criminal in many ways. Any rug you do find that meets our standards of zero toxicity and related characteristics and you are looking at over $15 per foot square installed or more for any I know of. I hope someone comes up with a less expensive alternative, but until then, I am staying with no WTW, unless the client requests it directly, or can afford the "good stuff." Use the cheep stuff and you might as well just build a box store "throw up" like the rest of the GC and take the money and run. I just can't do that, nor will I let others force me into it.

As for a list of vendors, they are changing all the time and the ones I get are custom to my spec's and/or commissioned by Native weavers here or abroad. As I get older I may start doing some myself if asked.

Regards,

j
 
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