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Gregory Silling

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here are pictures of plants i do not know

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Maybe radishes, kale, mustards, broccoli

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Gregory Silling

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sorry about the fuzzy pics

Id appreciate any help ion identyfing these plants and such...

if it is a weed is it good for green manure in the compost pile or chuck it in the woods.

thanks for all your help!

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Justin Deri

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184.jpg - potato
174.jpg - spinach
175.jpg - brassica of some sort. Maybe radishes, kale, mustards, broccoli...hard to tell just from cotyledons. Send a pick when true leaves form

Gregory Silling

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thank you so much...that is my first potato plant ever....yahoo

i just threw some spinach seeds and some seeds called asian greens, that someone gave me in a little unmarked seed pack, in the beds and poof i got growth... the kids and I are very excited.

again thank you so much for you response Justin.

Greg

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siu-yu man

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Location: zone 6a, north america

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2nd group ID:

top : pokeweed -- high value green manure, hack it now before it fruits (although the fruits are pretty cool looking). will grow back and the roots go way way deep so great dynamic accumulator.

middle : asian bittersweet -- "exotic invasive" - will get out of hand quickly without constant chopping. awesome chop & drop green manure plant imho. darn near impossible to get all the roots out unless it's really young. whereever you have this plant growing well, you'll most likely have mycorrhizal fungi in the soil and a good moisture balance. i would suggest that you try to prevent this from fruiting whenever possible, as it's super aggressive.

bottom : good question -- we have a ton of these as well. my current guess is that it's in the Eupatorium family (aka boneset aka snakeroot), but i'm not positive of that.

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Blake Wheeler

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siu-yu man wrote:2nd group ID:

top : pokeweed -- high value green manure, hack it now before it fruits (although the fruits are pretty cool looking). will grow back and the roots go way way deep so great dynamic accumulator.

Eh, not so sure about that. It doesn't look like any pokeweed I've ever seen. By the time it reached that size it should have the purple color to the stem.
If it is pokeweed it'll have a hollow stem, segmented on the inside (kinda like bamboo).

EDIT: I should throw in there's compost value in practically everything. Even allopathic species lose their effect when composted.

siu-yu man

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looked at the photo again and still stick with the pokeweed ID. the branching, leaves and immature fruit all look exactly like the ones we have here which i know is pokeweed as they're growing in the exact same place the pokeweed was last year (the purple hanging fruits are a tell-tale sign yes?). some of those don't have the purple stem yet, some do. with that said, i reserve the right to be completely mistaken.

agree with Blake that, no matter what it is, unless it's diseased or has already seeded, it's good compost, as it most likely is taking up minerals that the topsoil needs (especially deep rooted plants).

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Blake Wheeler

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You very well could be right. I don't see the fruit in the pic but it's a dead giveaway. I can't honesty say it isn't pokeweed, just something, and I can't put my finger on it, doesn't look right to me. Then again there could be some regional differences going on as well maybe.

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i dont know pokeweed from pokemon but I chopped it and at the base say for the first 12-18 inches it had a purpleness about it but still green,,, and it was hollow and segmented at the main stalk. it would have been more helpful if i had shot the pic from the other side of the fence... something else to work on. Better pics will be better for all.

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Blake Wheeler

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Full grown pic:
https://treasurecoastnatives.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/pokeweed/

Younger:
http://www.foragingtexas.com/2006/04/pokeweedpoke-salat.html

Sounds like that's what you have then. Really a quite useful plant. Can be eaten when young, poisonous when older, and the berries can be crushed and used as a dye

EDIT: I couldn't link right to the pics without my iPad crashing for some reason

Gregory Silling

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And then there is this with my bell peppers some brown spots on the leaves and yellowing...

I have never had much luck with peppers so I am anxious about them.

We just went through a second truncated spring with overnight in the 50's and low 60's at night and highs just getting into the 70's.

today is in the 80's and hopefully most of the week ahead....

they look lonely is there some companion planting that might help get things headed in a better direction.

should I have any immediate concerns about them or just wait it out...

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As I am trying to keep the potatoes covered I am concerned with the density of the soil... I have been mixing leaves,straw from last years maiden grass and leaves snd straw mulched by lawn mower. It seems that the rain has washed the clay, mulch and compost down in the pile and the larger stuff seems to float to the top.

is there a percentage of soil/compost/ mulch mix I should go with... should i layer in chop and drop green mulch...poke weed, nettles etc. ? Are there any amendments to the soil mix that you would suggest

the potato plants are poking up are at the perimeter so I added cardboard to help keep the perimeter dark.

How tall should i let them grow before I cover them with more soil/mulch mix.

Thank you all that have chimed in!! Happy Fathers day to those that are....

Greg

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siu-yu man

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Gregory,
i just buried some potato vines last week under more layers of straw, nettle and comfrey.
what i've noticed since then is that vines that had more than 4 sets of leaves above ground are doing well,
and the ones less than that have less (similar to the ones you have in the pictures) are not doing so well.
i also observed the soil particles sinking, what i've done to remediate is to sprinkle some finished compost on the top and let the rains soak it in.

what i'm concerned about right now is the heat, as potatoes don't like it.
if yours don't have any natural shade covering, you might want to consider throwing a non-black umbrella (or something similar) on top of the cage.

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Gregory Silling

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Siu-yu man

thanks for the suggestion as summer is starting to heat up I will provide shade....
I was thinking about coco coir mixed in with the soil... thanks for the help heaping compost today... they grew about an 1 1/2" yesterday so they must be liking something...

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