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Sibling Great Pyrenees pups available for adoption to the RIGHT permaculture home!

 
Huckleberry Leonard
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AWESOME SIBLING PAIR OF GREAT PYRENEES PUPS AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION TO THE RIGHT PERMACULTURE HOME!

We started our permaculture homestead project on raw forested land in the southern Olympic mountains with one female Great Pyrenees. She is spectacular. We soon got a GP male and we've since had a few litters of amazing pups, with our original GP and also her amazing first born daughter. These are wonderful dogs with calm gentle temperaments who are very adept at their job and work GREAT as a team. We have ZERO pedator problems! They're very well socialized and loving with humans and livestock. They've been raised with sheep and lambs and love to play with the lambs without hurting them.

We have two pups left from our last litter. We love them so much it's hard to adopt them away. But we have enough dogs now (we kept one from each litter) so we must. We have been blessed and amazed to find many awesome homesteaders in our region via local craigslist but alas ads for livestock guardian dogs on craigslist are often flagged and removed making it hard. We understand there are well-meaning people out there trying to insure the safety of animals and we agree with their intentions anyway. So to avoid that problem, we're looking on Permies for THE RIGHT most perfect forever home for this awesome team of sibling brother pups. They are about 11 weeks old now and truly fantastic animals. You will have to try HARD to convince us that you are nice enough people and have an awesome enough set-up to be a good home for them....including a farm or homestead, livestock in need of protection, stable family, lots of food, etc....

We have a little website we made with lots of pictures and more info about the pups, like how we feed them (nutrient dense traditional food~lots of bones and meat) etc. Anyone who's interested can write me and I'll send you a link and see what you think and we can talk.

Please note: Our animals are very strong and super-healthy, raised in a natural environment (wild forest), in a family/pack, with guardian tasks and never caged or confined. We are proud of the life they live and know that they are super-happy, stable and balanced animals. We now have the small pack that we need to keep our place safe and are not planning on breeding anymore. In the meantime we feel happy that we've been able to help out several other homesteaders in need of livestock guardian dogs, all who say LGDs are not that easy to come by. We believe in keeping the domestic animal population in balance. But someone has to breed great dogs or there won't be any more. We've done a good job of raising our pups.

Here's a couple pictures for a preview:

I look forward to talking with you. huckleberryleonard@gmail.com
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Mike Feddersen
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They look like beautiful dogs, I have a question unrelated to adopting that I would love
input from you on.

I had heard that while GP's are great with livestock, if there are too many (a pack),
they forget that their job was to protect your livestock and now are only concerned
with their own. Any truth to that?

I have a cousin's son who was walking on a road past a goat pasture where they had 4
GP's, one of them attacked him without the boy provoking them other than walking by.

After posting this I wanted to make sure my neighbor really did have the Great Pyrenees
breed so I went looking for images and one of the images pointed to a web page called,
"5 things I wish people knew about Great Pyrenees" before getting one.

So You Want a Great Pyrenees

In the comments I was looking for anything that would possibly explain why my cousin's
kid was attacked and finally found it I think. It was under "socializing", the breed like many
dogs needs to be raised around animals and people so that they know how to interact.
 
Huckleberry Leonard
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That is a sad and scary story about your cousin's son and I'm so sorry he experienced that.

Thank you for this link. I agree with all 5 points and will use this link to help people understand about this unique breed.

People who adopt Great Pyrenees need to be equally unique and live in uniquely appropriate locations...like boundless wild mountain or forest land with lots of wildlife and few or no neighbors (somewhat rare these days).

I do agree that socialization is everything for any dog, but especially a dog expected to perform livestock guardian duties. There's an old-fashioned notion we've all heard that says you should not socialize a LGD to be a pet, that they should stay only with the flock at all times. In today's world so full of people it seems prudent to raise a well-balanced dog who knows human love and does not ever learn to react out of fear. Most homesteaders want their LGD to be part of the family. We believe in maximum socialization all along the way in a puppy’s life. We are always home and our pups are always with us and often our flock too. We practice a form of shepherding where we are present with the flock/herd as they graze in the forest, helping us create small meadows within the large forest, each meadow to be intensively and rotationally grazed, and ultimately surrounded by food forest/hedgerows (according to our Pc design). The dogs are an important part of helping all this occur in a good way.

Our pups are free to develop at their own rates and are treated with patience, encouragement and lots of love at all times. Their family(pack) is always all around them and they learn everything from them....and us. We instill in them a sense that we (the people) are the "calm-assertive" pack leaders*(*read Cesar Millan's books) and that they have a job to do (keep predators at bay, care for the sheep and people. Luckily they do this instinctually so we get along fine!. They do need to be taught boundaries however and that's part of establishing pack leadership. Healthy balanced puppies naturally want to please their pack leaders and will happily submit to the rules once they understand. At a certain age, of course, they will test their boundaries. It’s part of growing up. The "Power of the Pack" is everything to the dog and having a healthy balanced pack is the most effective way to raise a balanced pup.

I also agree that GPs tend to mature slower than other dogs, 3 years is just about a grown-up.
People who want to adopt a GP should realize they will be raising a youngster for at least 3 years and going through all the stages that go along with it. They should spend full time with their pup like they would a child and not lock it away. Plus, they should consider they will likely have this companion for a long time, 14, even 18 years.

As for the pack question, as with everything it's a question of balance. Too few dogs presents certain problems as does too many. The "just-right" number depends on the circumstances of each farm/family, considering what are the tasks/risks/challenges/land/wildlife/livestock/acreage/etc.

As for grooming your GP, this is really important. Our friend’s sister is a dog groomer and she gave us a brush made special for a Great Pyrenees. I highly recommend this avenue because our dog’s fur destroyed so many normal dog brushes before we ran across this fairly indestructible and totally effective model.



Thanks for your input.
 
Steven Johnson
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HI guys nice to hear about your ideas for grazing. I love it and have recently started doing something similar in southwest Oregon. We have a 9 yr old female marema who has been doing the job all alone and would like a puppy to train. we had kept a herd of goats more or less on their own in wildland edges for many years but recently started supervised grazing part of the time with good results. we give them an hour to 1.5 hr twice a day and that seems plenty here and now. We have been thinking about getting a younger dog, so it might be nice to visit either here or at rowansc@yahoo.com
 
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