I didn't create it. Somebody else created it. And then they made me an admin of the page and un-admin-ed themselves.

I know very little about fb. I know that a lot of people spend almost all day there - any one of those people knows about 30 times more than I do.

I reluctantly created an fb page about seven years ago. Jocelyn talked me into it.

I check there about once a week.

Currently, Jocelyn and Destiny seem to post stuff at the fan page.

Recently there was a post there of a meme that we created years ago.



I didn't even notice the post until two days later.

I know that years ago it would go up on facebook and there were 95% positive comments and one of the negative comments was something like "prove it!" - so I added my "quickie proof" to this thread: http://www.permies.com/t/16161/md/Subsidies-penalties-true-cost-food

This was a quote that was trimmed from a podcast I recorded about the movie farmageddon.

http://www.permies.com/t/16082/permaculture-podcast/podcast-farmaggedon-movie-review

If I remember correctly, there was a point in the movie where a woman was talking about how difficult it was to get organic certification for her little farmers market stand. Not only the fees, but the monthly paperwork was three inches thick.

Back to the recent post on facebook ..... here is some of the stuff that appeared on the paul wheaton fan page in response to this meme ....

When you compare conventional produce and organic produce, there is no nutritional benefit of one vs the other. However buying organic food gives you an innate desire to be an asshole, to tell others how crappy their food choices are, to justify one's position with whatever made up stats they can think of, and to follow people like David Wolfe and Vani Hari. Oh and, you become gluten intolerant overnight too.

Organic agriculture gets -plenty- of subsidies. As far as I know, there are no organic 'penalties'.

Could you please cite your sources for this information? Specifically, what organic penalties are there? And what subsidies are only available to conventional farmers?

Why say "chem-ag"? Organic has just as many syllables as the word chemical. Oh wait, you're trying to make it sound bad so you can scare people. Nice try though.

I love how organic proponents all seem to be under the hugely mistaken impression that organic means pesticide-free, which is patently untrue. USDA Organic-approved pesticides are generally more toxic than synthetic pesticides, and includes known carcinogens.

The only reason Organics cost more is because fool's will pay more, you know, "suckers". Unless it's the fact Organics use more pesticides.

Are you implying that "organic" methods of production don't utilize matter?

Link to the data and analyses used to reach that conclusion?

A quote on a pretty picture passes for evidence these days?

Care to provide evidence and data to support these claims?

When you lie out your ass to continue to spread fear instead of facts and truth.

In what wonderland do you live in Mr. Wheaton? That's some funny math you got there.

Did you... Did you just quote yourself?

"Paul Wheaton makes up bullshit"

I'd really like to see citations for this...

What absolute bollocks

I think I just copied about 3/4 of the comments that were at the top level. There were some permies that tried to help these folks but they were pretty shouted down.

Mark Hornbaker: Yea Paul Wheaton, where's the link to back up this claim? What do expect us to do? Use our own brains, type in a search and research this on our own??? That's completely unacceptable!! Funny thing, I just watched a 2+ hour video of yours where talked about this very thing. What was the phrase you used? People expect you to be their own personal google b@$ch ?

The thing I once read which I think is funny is "I'm not your fucking google mommy!"


So .... I say something in a podcast and somebody pops it into a meme. Somebody else creates a fb fan page. And a third person posts the meme to the page. Apparently I am responsible for monitoring all of this and making myself available for responding to the crazy.

I wonder if any of these folks are paid corporate trolls?


The important thing is: I am glad that we have a forum where we can talk about the things we want to talk about in the way we want to talk about them.



I have closed this thread and moved this discussion to HERE