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The power of numbers trumps the singular.

I can not explain the energies being exchanged, nor do I seek to at all.

I have some sound information, some theories of operation (within the scope of my experience),  and I see WHY some issues remain unexplained.

I happen to subscribe to ideals differently than others and believe in energies beyond all of us. This stove uses none of those, that does not mean we do not.

As a traditional learning institution professional, breaking from the proven methods is not well accepted, that does not mean the outcomes suffer, it just means some folks don't like it.

A post by a lady named Marina here on these forums contained "Go ahead: break a system in to tiny parts, analyze those parts, and believe that the data about those parts yield more than the whole system.  This, in my opinion, is the fundamental flaw of modern science - the inability and unwillingness to study a system as a whole."

It has nothing to do with another post "Stoves, we want to talk about stoves" or something similar.

Both were 100% correct, both were 100% wrong.

I can not explain it, but they are fuel, don't change a thing. They apply in ways I am unable to explain but in a sort effort:

Ya screwed up! you built the thing and then wondered how it worked instead of combining small parts to make it work. Ya did it right, ya made it work, now we gotta figure out how!

No input to this is worthless, even when it does not apply.

I promise you I believe there is indeed a positive force at work and it requires all input including that which does not seem to apply. Speak freely so one and all may function as described and take no consideration to change.

The net result may well depend upon it.

Ned

PS this was written with an effort to support the site owners thoughts, perfection is a collective not an individual effort and altering that collective moves one further from perfection. I am not perfect, nor are you, a combination may indeed be the force that fuels all that is.
 
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have you been eating mushrooms?
 
                            
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Mangudai wrote:
have you been eating mushrooms?



Would it make a difference?

Several things that have been said that one would say do not apply in many ways, however they indeed do.

There are several very interesting things happening within these stoves. One has to look at each process and evaluate it but it is indeed the combination of all of them that render it effective.

It is a lot sensitive and if any of these individual processes cease, it affects them all.

Its like when you ask a group directions, you will get several different paths, none of which is best in all conditions and you simply must remain open to alternatives.

A great many folks believe life is about finding yourself, I disagree, I think it is about creating yourself and every person you contact on that path impacts it whether positive or negative, they remain a part of your path.

Is this right? I do not know, it is my choice and it is simply the one I have made, you are welcome to another.
 
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We want more!
 
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I'm confused . You want more mushrooms?
This is all very Jungian.

David
 
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