Inge Leonora-den Ouden

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Accompanying the gardens (front and back yard) of my rented ground-floor appartment in the transformation to a miniature-food-forest, following permaculture principles (nature's laws) in different aspects of life
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All the time I listened this podcast, I felt like 'are they really disagreeing, or is it just a way to make us -the 'pod people'- listen very well and try to find our own thoughts on this subject?'
Anyway, it made me listen well and do my best to (get to) know what are my own thoughts. Who of you I agree with ... 'it all depends'. If there's one 'giant doofus' who's the boss and the only 'rule' is: 'be nice' ... maybe I can live there, depending on the behaviour of that boss and the behaviour of the others living there. Because everyone can have their own view on what is 'nice'.
And if there's an 'agreement' of many pages, which took shape because of the first few members of the community, who agreed on it, who wanted to live according to it ... maybe I can live there, depending on the way they view their role, my role, the agreement's role in the community.

All and all, I think I better go on living on my own, but being part of (several) communities of people not living together 'under the same roof', or 'on the same land'.
So this is a 'community garden' without a community? Maybe you can ask some friends to join you, to form a community around this garden? You can do things together, help eachother (f.e. when someone's on a vacation others can do the garden work). My experience is it's much better to have a garden together, as a community (group). Everyone has strong and weak points, together you can do almost everything
Not being a weaver I can't answer your question about what to do with the yellowish and green-greyish yarn.
But about the purple missing in sets of crayons or colour pencils ... yes, that's weird. Why do they let it out? I never understood. Because I am a drawing artist (illustrator) of course I don't have that problem myself. I have a set of 72 colour pencils including 7 different purplish ones (lavender, light violet, bright violet, violet, bright purple, purple and grape). Wow, do I feel rich having all that purple!
1 week ago

r ranson wrote: ... I think I would like to make some bonsai olive trees.  I don't know how to make bonsais or to keep things alive in pots for more than a few months, but they seem like enjoyable skills to have. 

If you really want to make and keep bonsai trees, there are books, websites, etc. on it. But I can tell you: it will consume a big part of your precious time. It's a lot more work than just a plant in a pot.
2 weeks ago
I want to invite a friend who is not vegan, but has such a strict diet for her migraine, I think it's best to serve her a vegan dish. She doesn't eat wheat, milk or dairy products. She's used to eat meat, but I prefer not to. And I think she shouldn't eat meat at all ... but that's my opinion.

I figured out it will be lentil pasta (the pasta that's made of lentil flour, not wheat) with a sauce of mixed vegetables (including tomato sauce), topped with cantharel mushrooms ...

The problem is: I would like to add cheese sauce before putting it in the oven. But what can I use instead of cheese (or any other dairy product) to give a pasta dish that 'gratin' effect?
2 weeks ago
I don't know if maybe I was born with a natural ability to find a way. Or maybe from a very young age I got this from my parents, so it feels like some natural part of me. Sometimes I wonder if people can have that 'feeling' for the Earth magnetic fields, like birds have. Anyway: for me it's impossible to get lost. I tried several times, in the forest and in unknown towns. But I always know which way to go. I consider it 'a gift'.

I like 'reading maps' too. When seeing a map I have an image in my mind of how it looks there (when it's a good map). The first image, before I really visited that place, is vague. But afterwards, watching the map is like watching photographs or a film of the place I visited.

I have friends who are the opposite. They can visit a place many times and still every time they don't know how to get there, turn the wrong direction, or have to use their car navigation system again. Maybe that navigation system is the problem. People get used to it, to listen to a voice telling them how to go, they forget to use their own brains. And I am not a car driver (no driver's licence), I am used to find my way myself.
2 weeks ago
Permaculture also has some 'yields' that are not measurable.
The community garden we have, as Permaculture Meppel, does not provide lots of vegetables or fruits. That isn't our goal. The garden is there to educate all people in the neighbourhood on the concept of permaculture. We invite them for activities, we talk to them on principles, we show how we work together on one garden (not like the alotment gardens they're used to) ... step by step they are getting used to this different way of gardening AND organising. In my opinion that's a yield
3 weeks ago
I don't know any advice to give you now. But I hope you'll let us now (with photos if possible) how your experiment proceeds
3 weeks ago

Coralee Palmer wrote:From Diana Leafe Christian book, ”Creating a life together”  Founders of “the ten percent of successful sustainable communities” are often headed by a successful entrepreneur or have at least an experienced entrepreneur in their group. ....

That's probably true. At least that's the reason why I'll never start any community myself: I am not that 'entrepreneur' type. I like to join something already started by others. Like the 'community garden' in my neighbourhood. Two others started, I was the third person ... and then others joined too.
This garden is fairly succesful, as a project totally run by inhabitants of the neighbourhood (with a little support from town hall). We are starting our third garden season now. This is not an 'intentional community', it's only a permaculture garden project. 

I meditated on my ideas on an intentional community and found out that it would be very nice if the land on which the community starts building up is owned by one of the members (or a family). Than this person 'pays' his part of the costs not with volunteer work or money, but with his/her land. (Of course if he/she likes to do volunteer work, that's possible ...) But owning the land does not give this member of the community more rights (like 'veto' in the meetings)
3 weeks ago
My thoughts after reading the start of this topic. I do not want to have my 'first reaction' influenced by other posts. So those I will read afterwards. Maybe then I'll have new reactions ;-)

From my youth on I have periods in which I think: I want to live in an intentional community. When I was young there were 'hippie communes', but that wasn't the kind of community I wanted to live in.
When I think of what kind of community I'd like to live in, I think:
- It's like a village. Every person (sometimes a couple or family) has a little house in that village, or at least an apartment.
- Every little house in the community has its own little garden. An apartment building can have one garden or several. Community members do not need to have a garden and take care of it. But if they do have a garden, there are rules for taking care of it.
- For me it's important that 'village' is clean, like nature is clean. Free of toxic chemicals. All 'waste' has to be re-used, re-cycled or up-cycled.
- There are rules, like 'be nice'.
- There are weekly meetings. Everything concerning the community is shared at these meetings. If something isn't going well, the members try to find a solution together. If a community member doesn't want to be at these meetings ... that means something isn't going well. Maybe in such a case there has to be a special meeting concerning this special case ... Maybe that one person has a problem with one or some of the other members and first wants to talk with them alone ... or with some others alone ... It's very important such talks take place as soon as possible, before the problem gets way too big!
- There's some kind of 'village hall'. It has a kitchen, every member of the community can join the group meals there, whenever they want. But nobody is forced to do so.
- There are shared tools, machines, vehicles. All members of the community can use those. A schedule for using those is needed, and rules for use.
- There's a community garden. Every member of the community who wants to work there can work there. If a schedule and rules are needed for this work ... then it has to be made by that group of members who are involved.
- There's other work to do for the community. Same here as for garden ...
- Members of the community can 'pay' for the costs by doing volunteer work (garden or other work) or by paying money. Or partly volunteering and partly money. Work for the community is valued higher than money. Money is only needed for costs (like taxes, buying new community stuff, a.a.). Nobody has a salary from working for the community as a whole.
- All members of the community have free choice of what they want to do for the community and wath they want to do for themselves. But doing work (f.e. having a workshop) in the community area is prefered over 'commuting' to a job somewhere else. Community members can have their own enterprise with co-workers, members of the community, and they can be paid a salary. They can sell their products both in the community and to other buyers. Maybe in some cases even co-workers from outside the community are allowed in these enterprises ... 

OK, now it's time to stop this writing ;-)
3 weeks ago