S Tonin

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Jay Angler wrote:We also make lots of apple sauce and use it with things like pancakes.



I can't believe that in my entire 45 years, I never thought to put applesauce on pancakes.  Or use it in the batter, since I've made tons of applesauce cakes.  Guess I know what I'm having for dinner.
4 weeks ago

Nancy Reading wrote: What risks are there to consider?



I don't know if it's a risk, but the apples might be really astringent, so it might limit what you can do with them.

I was thinking of a pickle; I feel like one time a bunch of years ago I made pickled apple slices (kind of like a bread and butter/ sweet pickle if I'm remembering right).  I googled for a recipe and this isn't what I made, but it still looks like it could be interesting: Green Apple Pickle

You could add some to a cabbage ferment like kraut or kimchi.

I don't know what the pectin content might be like, but you could juice them and let it reduce in a crock pot until you've got something that's kind of like glue and use it to add to preserves or, if it's sweet enough, use like molasses (apfelkart or something like that, I've never had it but saw it being made on a german show).
4 weeks ago

Kim Wills wrote:
6 - Can anyone say Taylor Ham?!? Or pork roll?!? Thank you! Supposedly even NY'ers don't have it! It's round slices of pressed pork, very salty, fried and eaten like bacon; either on a kaiser roll (talyorhameggandcheese, ketchupsaltpepper) or at home on the side.



Yaaaaaas!  We have it over here in the Lehigh Valley/ Poconos; we call it pork roll and it's funny, but I never see the actual Taylor brand over here.  The most important question: how many slashes do you make in the side?  I'm partial to five, I like the daisy kind of shape it gets.  
4 months ago

John Weiland wrote:I'm giving cheesesteaks a first attempt tonight, but am partial to using a marinade instead of straight onion/pepper/seasoning mix.



SACRILEGE!

Honestly though, that's probably pretty good.  I'm also a total heretic, I like mine cooked with mushrooms & onions and a dash of Worcestershire sauce.  I also eat mine on corn tortillas, like a taco, because I'm gluten free and refuse to pay like $7 for four rolls.
4 months ago
So I'm from this weird limnal space between the Lehigh Valley and the Poconos (in eastern PA); they're geographically right up against each other but they're very, very different.  (I identify with the LV more than the Poconos.)

The Poconos: pretty much assume everything true for the greater NYC metro area (including Long Island and northern NJ) is true for here.  I don't have actual numbers, but my gut says we're about 1/4-1/3 native-born and almost everybody else moved here from across the Delaware.  Everything that isn't New York is pretty much Lehigh Valley, but woodsier.  
-The driving is pretty aggressive, but since it's also a huge tourist area, you see a lot of different styles.  Driving on 80 will turn your butthole inside out, even if you're used to it.  
-"You guys" is the norm, though "yous" is common in informal speech.  It's more of the Jersey inflection, actually pronounced like it's spelled.  
-The City is Manhattan, though it is very occasionally used in the generic, lowercase sense when talking about other places. You can hear the difference.  
-Bagel sounds more like "beggel" than "baygel."  
-You stand on line, rather than in line.
-Work commutes are long (1hr+) because so much of the region is a bedroom community of the NYC area.
-Every restaurant and most stores have brochure racks for local attractions.  Back in the day we used to have like three Muffler Men, but they're long gone.

The Lehigh Valley (which is actually the region around three small Colonial cities--Allentown, Easton, and Bethlehem): Always been fairly diverse as far as Northern European ancestry goes--PA Dutch farmers, Italian and Welsh/ Cornish quarrymen, Ukranian/ Polish miners & foundry workers, English and Scottish colonials, Irish laborers.  The early 20th century gave us southern Black mill workers and Puerto Rican steel workers (Bethlehem Steel recruited down there pretty heavily and for pretty racist reasons).  
-Lots of different churches (and fire companies) means lots of different fundraising food sales: fastnachts and pork-and-sauerkraut suppers, pasties, pierogies and halupki, empanadas/ empandillas; everybody does hoagie sales, though.
-There's this whole Sheetz vs. Wawa thing, but Wawa was here first.  Everybody has a preference when it comes to the food and coffee, but mostly it's whoever's closest and has the best gas price that determines where you go. (Turkey Hill is the sleeper here, way cheaper drinks and snacks, sometimes best gas prices too)
-PA Dutch was a big subset of the regional culture (but less and less as time goes on).  All the weird-ass grammatical shit from the language has made it into the regional dialect (stronger the farther out from the cities you get); for whatever reason, we can't seem to get a handle on prepositions and where prepositional phrases belong in a sentence (German rules? English rules?  We don't need no stinkin' rules!).  Other highlights include peppering in PA Dutch words in sentences (and, to make it even more confusing, our spelling, pronunciation, and even nuances of meaning are different than Berks & Lancaster counties--talk about hyper-regional), ending declarative sentences with "once/ oncest (wuhnst)" and questions with "say/ say now/ say now once?," using "Yeah-yup!" as a more emphatic affirmation.
-Just like people from Philly, we go "down the shore" when we go to the beach (only applies to Jersey, though--going to like, Myrtle Beach would not be down the shore) and "up the Poconos" (where a lot of people know or knew someone with a cabin, back before everything became gated communities with bougie names).
-"You guys" is common, "yous" is informal; we say it more like "ya's" or "yuhs"
-"Do you want to come with?" is how we ask someone along.  We drop that final pronoun.  Definitely has roots in German.
-You know an Italian lives (or lived) in a house because there's a stone grotto in the front yard.  If Mary's been replaced with flowers or a birdbath or something, the house has changed hands.  They're clustered around quarries, usually, because most Italian immigration to the area was from recruiting efforts on the part of limestone quarry owners (and slate, to a lesser degree; slate was more heavily Wales and SW England).  I'm a total nerd for how history and geography overlap.
-Some creeks and rivers are named -kill, which is an early Dutch Colonial thing from when they were exploring the waterways; it's way more common in NJ and NY.  A lot of our place names are bastardizations of Lenape language.
-We drink soda and put our groceries in bags.  I was very weirded out when someone literally asked me if I "wanted my pop in the sack" when I was somewhere in the midwest (honestly I forget exactly where, it was at a tiny store that was a stop along a 3-day Greyhound ride from PA to Mt).
-We put a red sauce (not marinara or ketchup, though) on our cheesesteaks.  There's no debate about American or Whiz, it's either American or Provolone.  Our pizza is more or less NY style, though our crust is thicker.  And Tomato Pie is 100% not the same as pizza, even though it's dough, tomato sauce, and cheese (each ingredient is a different type than pizza and tomato pie is served cold or room temp).
-They're pillbugs, though I had one teacher that called them roly-polies.  A potato bug is the same as a potato beetle.
-We stand in line, not on line.
-Traffic is awful.  Public transportation barely exists and the most recent update to the transportation infrastructure was under Eisenhower.  Forget potholes, we've got sinkholes that take out whole roads.  Because we're three cities (and whole bunch of boroughs and townships) in a trenchcoat, road conditions vary widely on any given trip; lots of bad intersections and stop signs that should be lights, but are in townships that have more thru-traffic than the tax base can support.
-Tangent to the above, we're like the warehouse capital of the East Coast.  So many big trucks.  Nondescript white boxes for miles upon miles, sitting on what was once some of the most fertile farmland in the country.  Everybody hates it, everybody complains about it, but it's a part of life and we can't change it (they could in Harrisburg, but that will never happen).  I'm counting it as a quirk because at this point, it's almost vernacular architecture.

Okay, I have to stop because I could get so into the weeds on this.  We're not as homogeneous as the Midwest (or even the western part of PA) due to us being settled earlier and having more waves of immigration, so sometimes it's hard to differentiate a real Lehigh Valley thing from a generic Mid Atlantic thing, or from a German-American/ Italian-American/ whatever-American thing.  I find it all so fascinating.
4 months ago

Eino Kenttä wrote:What's the advantage of morning sun relative to afternoon sun, do you know?



I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think I read that morning sun is "cooler" because it has more of the blue wavelength, while late afternoon/ evening sun is "warmer" because it has more of the red wavelength (because of our relative position to the sun an how the atmosphere splits the light, something sciencey like that).  I might not be understanding that correctly though.

Also, I think it's just generally hotter at the end of the day and direct sun only increases that.  I'd rather sit in full sun in the morning, when it's still cool, than at 5pm, when the heat of the day has soaked into everything, so why would plants be different (I might be anthropomorphizing a little here).
5 months ago
To preface: I'm in zone 6 as well, right on the border between 6a and 6b, with weather pretty much like yours (eastern PA).  I live halfway down a steep north-facing slope (600-ish vertical feet of mountain to the south of me), so I don't get as much overall light as somebody on flat land.  Both types of plants went directly in the ground for me, never tried any kind of container or even a raised bed.

My personal experience with mint root:  I planted it on the south side of my peach tree in a space that gets maybe 8 hours total sun (would be more but the peach branches cast dappled shade in the middle of the day).  Only like two of them put up any top growth.  The year I did it was pretty wet, so I didn't need to do any additional watering.  They seemed healthy before the fall dieback, but nothing came up the next year.  It made me very sad, but I justify it by telling myself I wouldn't have liked eating them anyway.

My personal experience with myoga:  The first set of roots I bought are doing okay, despite being planted in terrible, barely-improved heavy clay and shale soil.  It didn't help that I planted them upside down, which I only realized when I accidentally dug one up a month later.  Despite that, they did send up some spindly shoots and one or two edible buds that first year.  They're in part sun with a western exposure, between an elderberry and a juvenile apple.  I didn't want to move them because they just weren't very robust, so I bought more last year (I think 2 years after my initial purchase, maybe 3?).  These I planted in much nicer soil, right at the dripline of a huge (15' tall) Rhododendron on the eastern side of the house.  They get 6 or so hours of full morning sun, then shade for the rest of the day.  Even though this past year was hellaciously dry, they thrived.  I harvested a dry pint of buds and let twice that amount go to flower (some intentionally, but most because I missed them until it was too late).

So here's what I think worked better for my myoga: morning sun/ afternoon shade; loamy, consistently moist soil with a slightly acidic pH; no competition from mint (the western patch is in an area of moderate mint encroachment).  There was definitely deer browse on both, but I fenced off the newer ones so that probably did give them a leg up.  I also let the chickweed and clover grow in both patches as a kind of living mulch because I only have limited mulching material and they're low priority areas; nevertheless, it seems to work.
5 months ago
Did you ever have any luck getting any of these guys going?  Are you going to do it again this year?

I had a branch that needed to come of my crabapple and so I cut all all the little side shoots off of it; the whole big branch sat around for a few days outside (weather ranging from high 20s- low 60s F) and I just finally got around to cutting them and putting them in some warm water.  Going to add some rooting hormone a little bit later, after I do a final trim and wax the tops that need it, then probably just let them go for a while.
5 months ago

Christopher Weeks wrote:Do you want to define technology for your purposes?

Is slavery a technology? Or feudalism? (I think they obviously are, but I could imagine you meaning something more tightly focused.)

In The Dawn of Everything, they discuss cultures that adopted and then chose to give up agriculture, which seems like a pretty big deal.



I mean I guess slavery and feudalism could be considered technologies, though that doesn't ring true with me because it's more of a cultural thing?  I wasn't going in with any kind of strict definition in mind, just using the word "technology" in the most nebulous and conversational way, so I guess it's whatever people want it to be for the purpose of the thread.

Re: abandoning agriculture, I was thinking of Cahokia, where they abandoned their version of "big ag," but (to my understanding) still practiced subsistence-level farming in decentralized locations, so I didn't count it.  Is city living a technology?  To me it's more of a social structure.  I don't know what the line is and I dropped out of college 25+ years ago, so I don't even remember what my anth and soc courses had to say about it.
5 months ago
Okay, so in another thread, there's a kind of nodding agreement going on about what we want and don't want from the overarching idea of "technology," which got me to thinking: when have humans abandoned a technology without something "better" coming along to replace it?  I don't mean stuff like the Antikythera Mechanism or other various and sundry ancient inventions that we have a record of, but that never caught on in the wider culture, or knowledge/ lifeways lost to colonization, but things that were used for a while and people decided "nah, not for us."

Some examples I can think of:

-Great Lakes-area Indigenous/ First Nations people using copper for blades, but then going back to flint (this happened a few times over the centuries, as I understand it; both seem to have comparable durability and sharpness)
-Roman cement (I mean you lose a lot of things when civilization collapses, but that one seems like it would have been something they'd want to hang on to), same with Chinese mortar used in the Great Wall
-Arguably, chemical agriculture (obviously still in wide usage, but "organic"/ natural/ whatever is on the rise at least)

I know there are way more, but I'm blanking.  
5 months ago