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part 3 of a 3 part podcast.

45 permaculture solutions.

33. Adobe or cob.  Not quite the same thing.  Adobe tends to be bricks, cob is usually a single lump.
34. Slipstraw.  Also not adobe.  clay/water/straw mix used to mold buildings.  Good insulation value.

35. STUN.  Strategic Total Utter Neglect - from Mark Shepard's restoration agriculture; zero care growies
36. Starting trees from seed.  Can be very successful - a bit of a lottery what you get, but mostly good.
37. Landrace gardening.  Joseph Lofthouse's technique for breeding plants that do well where you want them to grow.
38. Skiddable structures.  Buildings you can move around.  Cabins, outhouses, animal shelters etc.
39. Wavy deer fence.  Mike Haasl's design of wavy fence.  Deer don't jump it.

40. Haybox cooker.  Very effective for cooking big pots of certain foods.  Good in summer.
41. Automatic backyard food pump.  Three crops which grow easily and abundantly with low effort and a wide harvest window.
42. Chop and drop.  Unwanted plants become mulch wherever you cut them.  Low effort and free.
43. Brush piles.  Brush piles attract critters which help control pests which eat your growies.
44. Community living.  The biggest challenge in permaculture; communities without drama.
45. Farms vs gardens.  Farms and gardens require very different methods.  Gardens don't need to be flat!
46. Forest vs woodland.  Forests are made to maximize lumber output.  Woodland has diversity and grows loads of food.

Relevant Threads

Cob, daub, adobe, etc. What are all the natural "concretes" and what are they sourced from?
How to Make and Use Clay Slip

Mark Shepard on Yields, Getting Started and STUN
ten skiddable structures
19 skiddable structures documentary - 36 minutes
Wavy Deer Fence

Cook Grain with Rocket Stove and a Haybox Cooker
Automatic Backyard Food Pump
Build abundance with chop-and-drop

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Julia Winter, world's slowest mosaic artist
Sean Benedict
Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
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Dr. Jackie
Keith Kuhnsman
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Banter Couch
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part 2 of a 3 part podcast

45 permaculture solutions.

15. Willow feeder.  Possibly the best way to process your poop! (not a composting toilet!)
16. Dry outhouse.  Same process as the willow feeder, but feeds the trees directly.

17. Never buy chicken feed again.  Planting growies that chickens can self-harvest
18. Solar food dehydrator with rocket assist.  Super-effective food dryer, especially in fall.
19. Cool box.  Insulated cool box which works by running cool spring water through it.  Can be scaled up.

20. Berms and wind.  Create areas of shelter from the wind.  Can also reduce noise from such as roads.
21. Stealth ponds. Dig a pond, fill it with huge rocks.  Water whenever you need it.
22. Natural swimming pool.  Using a reed system to filter pool water instead of chemicals.
23. Paddock shift system.  Cycle livestock through several paddocks, stuff grows better and faster.

24. Mycelium insulation.  Fireproof high quality insulation from spent mycelium after harvesting mushrooms.
25. Sealing a pond without a liner.  Using clay to seal a pond by emulating pigs.
26. Junk pole fences.  Using small trees from forest thinning to make fences, instead of burning them

27. SKIP.  SKills to Inherit Property - Helping to find worthy people to inherit property.
28. Gert.  Gertitude vs farming.  Paul advocates a humble home and a large garden, not a farming mentality.
29. Cleaners you can eat.  People are getting sick from toxic gick in cleaners.
30. Dry stack.  Building dry stacked stone structures.
31. Berm shed.  1500 sq ft shed for $500.  
32. Roundwood timber framing.  Many roundwood projects at the lab.  No glue, no fasteners, just wood.

Relevant Threads

Low Tech Laboratory

72 Bricks to Build a Better World by Paul Wheaton

what is a willow feeder

tree bog vs. dry outhouse

3D Plans - Solar Food Dehydrator with Rocket Boost

Homegrown Mushroom Mycelium Insulation Panels

All about SKIP, PEP, Badges, BBs and More!
are there currently millions of permaculture millionaires? (the story of Gert)

berm sheds

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G Cooper
Mehron Kugler
Bill Erickson
Julia Winter, world's slowest mosaic artist
Sean Benedict
Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
Shay Riggs
Dr. Jackie
Keith Kuhnsman
Cindi Duehmig
Banter Couch
Eric Tolbert
Paul Tipper
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part 1 of a 3 part podcast

45 permaculture solutions.

Paul presents a revamped version of 45 permaculture solutions, without the original 45 minute time limit, in company with Samantha and Andreas.

1. Rocket mass heaters.  Built in 1-5 days for $100-2000, super cheap heat.
2. Rocket cooktop.  There are 3 at the lab.  Great for off-grid.
3. Rocket Oven.  An efficient solution for baked goods.  Movie: https://wood-oven.net/
4. Rocket Kiln.  Revolutionary wood fired kiln, cheap and clean to run.
5. Lorena.  Rocket stove where the pot fits in the top.  Ultra fast boiling: 5 gallon pot boils in 15 minutes.
6. Rocket water heater.  Best not pressurized due to explosion risk.  Heats up in minutes.

7. WOFATI.  See https://richsoil.com/wofati.jsp.
8. WOFATI.  Woodland Oehler Freaky-cheap Annualized Thermal Inertia.
9. Oehler structure.  The father of the WOFATI!  
10. Truly passive greenhouse.  Didn't freeze when it was 25°F below outside.  Zero energy input.

11. Humus well.  Extracting water from organic matter.
12. Sepp Holzer's spring terrace.  Produces 500 gallons of water per day.
13. Mulch pit.  Grey water processing system, water flows onto around 8ft deep of woodchip.  Willows absorb nutrients from it
14. Hügelkultur.  Essentially, soil on wood.  Done right it's amazing, done wrong it's not hügelkultur.

Relevant Threads

Low Tech Laboratory

72 Bricks to Build a Better World by Paul Wheaton

Rocket Mass Heaters forum

Harvest Clay and Make Pottery! (oh yeah, and the rocket kiln).
8-Inch Portable Modular Rocket Engine with Forge, Crucible, and Kiln Attachments

3d Plans - Rocket Cooktop with Lorena Option

Wofati and Earth Berm forum

Devious Experiments with a Truly Passive Greenhouse Movie as HD download

Humus Well from the 2023 PTJ

Hugelkultur forum

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Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
Shay Riggs
Dr. Jackie
Keith Kuhnsman
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Paul and Peter continue discussing RMHs and heating.

Paul describes the cob hat fitted to the 4 inch RMH in the Love Shack.  The Shack lost significant temperature overnight; leading to the modification.  Adding the cob hat above the barrel harvested a lot more heat.  However, the 4 inch RMH has other issues which make it problematic in use.

They talk about the cook stove in Allerton Abbey.  Peter says this is the only double shoebox still remaining as he had issues with the design, but this one works although it has gone through several doors.  Peter says it's a very powerful core and so it's difficult to tame it.

Paul recalls the rocket mass heater jamborees, where they made good progress with designs but it always cost a lot to run.  Paul would like to run another jamboree; Peter remarks that he's almost 80 now and might not be able to get there.  Peter has an idea for a development of a J tube which could be tried out if there was a jamboree.

Ben Falk joins in with some questions.  He points out that with a suitable wood stove you can also do all your cooking and heat domestic hot water while heating your home.  Ben has been using a woodstove to heat his home and hot water and to cook, and typically uses about 2 cords of wood.  Peter says he's often seen people change from a conventional stove to a RMH and use one third of the fuel.  Paul states that one year he measured the wood used very carefully and consumed 0.6 cords, but it's worth noting that is only for heating, not hot water and cooking.

Peter's opinion is that the 10% of the fuel use is not all that common.  He says mostly 30% is a good target.  There are good discussions to have about cooking and water heating.

Relevant Threads

Rocket Mass Heaters forum
2021 Rocket Mass Heater Jamboree - Wheaton Labs

Wood Burning Stoves forum

the first wofati - allerton abbey- version 0.7

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Sean Benedict
Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
Shay Riggs
Dr. Jackie
Keith Kuhnsman
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Continuing the discussion about heating your home if it was 100 below

Paul advances the theory that if it got excessively cold the electricity would go out.  Experience teaches that in extreme weather this tends to happen.  Most common means of heating won't work without power, even if the main heat source isn't electric.  Most wood stoves would work, plus of course RMHs and old style masonry heaters.

Paul figures when it's 25 below in winter he runs his RMH for only around 5 hours a day.  If it did get to 100 below, he would have to burn it longer.

Paul and Peter now get into discussing batch boxes vs J-tubes.  Peter says that to get the same amount of heat both burn about the same amount of fuel, although in a different way.  The J tube needs more frequent feeding.  The Batch box burns more fuel per load, but has to be able to harvest the heat effectively.

Peter describes the differences in batch boxes: they can be made to work faster or slower, depending on how much mass you add.  Without much mass it's a direct space heater ideal for a workshop or similar space.  Paul says for this purpose a batch box works better than a J tube since it can burn more wood per load and heat the space up faster.

When it comes to heating a home, the J tube is more flexible.  If Paul's house is a touch chilly he can burn the J tube for half an hour and increase the temperature by a few degrees.  Peter prefers to have a pure mass heater in his house, but you do have to burn it appropriately for the space it's heating.  Paul mentions this is an issue with people who aren't used to a mass heater.

Relevant Threads

Rocket Mass Heaters forum

Wood Burning Stoves forum

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Sean Benedict
Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
Shay Riggs
Dr. Jackie
Keith Kuhnsman
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The topic is "how to heat your house if it's 100 below".

He asks Alexandra what's the coldest temperature she's experienced, which was about -7°F or so.  Peter van den Berg joins in and has experienced a similar temperature.  Peter says his niece lives in Finland where the temperature can be -30°C

Peter says you need to store fuel inside by the stove, so it's dry and warm and burns efficiently.
Paul is doing an ongoing experiment to heat the house with cardboard, paper and scrap wood.  He mentions efficiency of stoves: wood stoves are sold as "80% efficient" but they don't achieve anything close to that in practice.  Especially, burning a wood stove slowly is very inefficient.  

Peter states that you can get decent efficiency from a wood stove, but mostly people don't.  There are 2 factors: burn efficiency and heat extraction efficiency.  Burning a wood stove slowly creates very poor burn efficiency, so even if the heat extraction is OK it makes no difference.  

Coming back to the 100 below idea, Paul states if there's extreme cold forecast, you need to be prepared: firstly, shut off and drain the plumbing to prevent pipes freezing, as you may not be able to heat the house enough to prevent freezing.  Alexandra asks at what temperature Paul and Peter would decide to drain the pipes.  Paul thinks he could keep his house warm enough with the RMH to avoid draining the pipes even in extreme cold, but he would need to do various tricks to avoid them freezing.

Peter's house has less insulation, but the water pipes are not in the external walls.  Provided the house is occupied and heated it would be no problem.  People say that such houses even if empty for 2 weeks in winter don't freeze inside.  In his father's house they would drain the pipes if it was freezing weather, but the winter in Holland is less severe.

Relevant Threads

Wood Burning Stoves forum

Winterize your home my Permies!
Workaround To Avoid Frozen/Burst Pipes In Exterior Walls?
Plumbing forum

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Julia Winter, world's slowest mosaic artist
Sean Benedict
Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
Shay Riggs
Dr. Jackie
Keith Kuhnsman
Cindi Duehmig
Banter Couch
Eric Tolbert
Paul Tipper
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Continuing the discussion about burning wet or green wood.

The question is asked about burning green wood in a Rocket Mass Heater.  Paul feels that it wouldn't get hot enough to burn off the creosote and smoke as it should.  With that said it is probably safer to burn wet or green wood in an RMH than in a regular stove, but you still should avoid burning green wood at all.

The best plan is still to dry the wood as much and as fast as you can.  You need to establish a system to process the wood and to know which wood is ready to burn and you will have to store a LOT of wood inside.  It will be more work and you need to plan.

Further to the problem of heating your home, There are other things you can do to help reduce wood use.  You can stack wood near the stove, but leave at least 18" space.  You can fit angle iron to the top of the stove to make a rack to stack rocks above the stove to store heat for overnight.  It's important not to put stone directly on the stove, the angle iron allows about a 2" gap for air to circulate and avoids overheating the stove top.  Especially with a steel stove, getting it too hot is bad for it.  If you have power, you can use a fan to create air movement to dry your wood faster.

Another contributor asks about how thick a brick mass can be.  Paul feels if you stack a single layer of bricks it will work well - it needs a gap between the bricks and the wall.  If you stack more than one layer the heat won't conduct well unless you use cob or other material to bond the bricks together.

Finally a contributor asks about heating a small home - they are trying to heat 600 sq ft.  Paul feels that with a simple wood burner, that can be a challenge.  Adding some mass could help even out the heat.

Relevant Threads

Rocket Mass Heater forum

how to safely heat with green/wet wood in your wood stove when you are desperate

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Sean Benedict
Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
Shay Riggs
Dr. Jackie
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Today's topic is how to heat your home with a wood stove and wet or green wood.

Paul starts out by stating the wisdom that you should only burn dry wood.  However, sometimes you need heat and you don't have any dry wood - sometimes, you have to use wet or green wood but burning green wood is not a good idea - what you need to do is dry the wood fast.

Using wet or green wood for heating is a lot of extra work.  If you really need heat now, you can also burn cardboard or paper waste.

Having a place to store wood makes a big difference, especially if you can store the wood indoors so it dries better.  You can get or make crates to store wood.  Stacking wood on end makes it dry much faster; also cutting the wood down to smaller sizes makes it dry faster.  Cutting the wood shorter also helps.

Paul uses crates to hold wood, which can be brought inside to dry faster.  They're great for stacking wood to dry in, you can stack them around the stove, a couple feet away.  You shouldn't put wood right against or on top of the stove as it's dangerous, it can emit fumes and could even catch on fire.  By using all these tips wet wood can be dry enough to burn in just a few days.

Samantha joins in.  She has lived in the Pacific north west where wet wood is common.  She says if you find a dead tree which is leaning, the underside of it can be drier and also the inside of the wood can be drier, even if it's been in the rain.  Split off the outside of the wood to leave that to dry more while you burn the inside parts.

Relevant Threads

Rocket Mass Heater forum

how to safely heat with green/wet wood in your wood stove when you are desperate

Build a kindling cracker - PEP BB metalworking.sand.kindling

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Julia Winter, world's slowest mosaic artist
Sean Benedict
Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
Shay Riggs
Dr. Jackie
Keith Kuhnsman
Cindi Duehmig
Banter Couch
Eric Tolbert
Paul Tipper
Paul F
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Andreas, Paul and Samantha continue the discussion about homestead gumption.

Andreas now wants to discuss the difference between a "homestead" and a "permaculture homestead".  Samantha feels that permaculture design means that everything you do is with an eye to the long term future.

Paul defines permaculture as a more symbiotic relationship with nature so he can be even lazier.  Typical homesteads will have a garden in perfect rows with no weeds.  Paul wants his homestead to work without him - systems that are self-sustaining for weeks or months.  Paul's plans are less of a map and more of a list of things he wants to achieve.  Working through the list allows him to learn more about his property, which then revises the list.  If you make a map you tend to become a slave to it.

Andreas feels there's an issue with putting too much energy into things that won't improve your quality of life in the short term.  Paul agrees, suppose you have 10 acres: limit yourself to a quarter of an acre for the first year rather than trying to do everything at once.

The next point raised is what kind of short term tasks can bring gumption back.  Samantha says being able to sit down at the table and eat the food you have raised is a great motivator.  Tomatoes, sunchokes, kale, walking onions all require little effort and give great rewards.  Paul doesn't like goals, as they can become poison.

Andreas thinks you need to take time to appreciate what you have achieved.  Paul recalls when he first got base camp and it was just rock, and now there's stuff growing everywhere.

They talk a bit about frugality.  Paul doesn't like the word as it suggests sacrifice.  He prefers gertitude, which implies abundance, so you don't need money.  Samantha feels that for her frugality is making your own stuff, not buying it.  She prefers to make stuff from what she has or can find.

Relevant Threads

are there currently millions of permaculture millionaires? (the story of Gert)

The great big thread of sunchoke info - growing, storing, eating/recipes, science facts


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Julia Winter, world's slowest mosaic artist
Sean Benedict
Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
Shay Riggs
Dr. Jackie
Keith Kuhnsman
Cindi Duehmig
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Andreas and Paul continue the discussion about homestead gumption

They talk a bit about being prepared for winter and power outages - wood heat is a big advantage.  Samantha is keen to get a rocket mass heater in her house.  Andreas says having the ability to survive without grid power is a big motivator.

Paul describes the typical wannabe homesteaders.  What many do is to buy a homestead, usually on a mortgage - but that means they have to keep doing their worky job to pay for it, and thus have limited time to do any homesteading, while at the same time their worky job has a much longer commute.  Often they get fed up with it and just quit.  Paul wants those people to attend a gardening gardeners program (ideally, boot camp)  The right program can give you the skills and experience to do homesteading easily and better.

10 years ago Paul started Ant Village where you could rent an acre of land for $800 a year.  However mostly they lacked adequate gumption.  During the Ant Village experiment, Paul and Fred came up with the idea of boot camp.  Ant village is still there but now you can't rent without doing 6 months in boot camp.  Samantha says when she first got her property she didn't get a lot done to begin with.  Once she'd been there a while she developed necessary habits to work on the land.  She feels boot camp is great to instill the habits you need for easy homesteading.

They talk a bit about families.  Paul feels that most kids in the US want to move out from home and live on their own once they finish high school.  Andreas says in Colombia it's much more common for families to stay together.  He feels that this helps strengthen communities and strong communities make homesteading easier.  Paul feels that boot camp has that kind of community spirit.  Samantha compares working on your own to in a community, she thinks Paul has got a good community there now and as a result lots get done; at her place, stuff only gets done if she does it.

Relevant Threads

Permaculture Bootcamp - gardening gardeners; grow the food you eat and build your own home

are there currently millions of permaculture millionaires? (the story of Gert)

Podcast 716 - Gardening Gardeners - Part 1, Part 2

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Dr. Hugh Gill Kultur
Kyle Aster
Sasquatch
Bill Crim
G Cooper
Mehron Kugler
Bill Erickson
Julia Winter, world's slowest mosaic artist
Sean Benedict
Rita Bliden
Brent Lawson
Song Zheng
Dana Martin
David Lucey
Janelle
thomas adams
Clay McGowan
Shay Riggs
Dr. Jackie
Keith Kuhnsman
Cindi Duehmig
Banter Couch
Eric Tolbert
Paul Tipper
Paul F
Gerald Bernard