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Anybody seen this?
I saw it a long time ago and would like to see it again.
It's about the washington state apple industry. As the movie progresses, the picture is painted of how folks with apple trees are getting less and less each year for apples. And lots of folks have put everything into their orchard. And then they lose the farm.
As the move progresses, everything gets more and more complicated. And there is the tiniest glimmer of hope if everybody bands together and confronts the threat of globalization. But even still, you get this powerful feeling of circling the toilet bowl.
And then the movie tells the story of a farm where they were on the edge of losing the farm and then their crop was nailed with hail. It looks bad. If they sell the remaining 10% in the normal way, they lose the farm. So they decided to take the 10% to the farmers market in seattle and sell direct to the consumers. They did great!
And then, at the end, there was this guy who had something like four apple trees.
(this is from feeble memory) He would harvest from one tree, go to seattle, sell all of the apples and come home. It sounds like with just four trees he was doing WAY better than these people with thousands of trees.
I strongly recommend having a look at this show for anybody reading in this forum.
Here's the documentarians' website:
I seem to remember some sort of eco film thing that you could get through the mail like netflix. Maybe they have it.
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is this the film?
Yes! That's it! Wow! What a cool thing!
Seems the moral of that story is beware of:
Reliance on others
Single source of income
and trusting others with your livelihood in an age of low ethics, morality, etc.
Also might bring up how markets are manipulated. think it was britain that subsidized a crop, guaranteed a price for the crop no matter the market. several years passed, farmers went crazy and bought expensive equipment to grow money. they leveraged the farm. then, politicians ran on getting rid of the scam that was wasting tax payers dollars. farmers went bust, land was bought for a song and dance. all owned by big agriculture now, or so the story is told.
there was a thing on pbs about apples and monoculture and history in the states. most was used for hard liquor till it was demonized. then the sweet varieties were picked out and...
Emerson White wrote:
For a long time washington apples have been inferior, they were bred to be bright red and last 18 months in a warehouse. Add to that the effects of a minimum wage and you have economic disaster. An industry just cannot survive producing an inferior product at an inflated price.
It appears that way to me as well. I have a friend from Washington and he told me about the apple industry up there...and all the orchards for sale.
paul wheaton wrote:
As the movie progresses, everything gets more and more complicated. And there is the tiniest glimmer of hope if everybody bands together and confronts the threat of globalization. But even still, you get this powerful feeling of circling the toilet bowl.
I get that feeling a lot nowadays. But the future is what we make of it. Globalization has been very good to big businesses and bankers, not so good for workers, farmers, shop owners, and manufacturers.
There is one local orchard that does well, he sells right out of his garage until he runs out of apples (sometimes has them until March but not often as he's one of the few still selling locally and people drive to his place). He uses a mixture of garlic and seaweed as a pesticide/nutrient or some such too so his apples are not sprayed as much as conventional. Amazing that.
There is another orchard that does tours, u-pick and sells cider that seems to be alright so far. They also have horses though so that brings in business for them.
I don't know what's going on here, all that I see growing in the area is corn, soy, wheat and tomatoes. Never anything else, year after year after year. It's frightening.
If you export all of your production elsewhere and produce nothing, then what do you have to offer for the goods you wish to purchase? Past wealth, future worth or selling yourself into bondage.
It is hard explaining to some people that you 'have to produce something of value' in order to continue trade. For when you run out of things to trade, who wants to trade with you?
Trust. Easier to trust those who are closer to you, know first hand what is going on there, and easier to confront them when their are issues. Plus, you do not have to give handouts to those that 'are not in need'.
At the end of the day, it is dumb to move everything over seas, but "WHY" is everything moving and what is the final outcome.
Best to get something in the ground that produces with little to no input and effort longterm. Then there is something productive going on close to home.
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We have several big fruit producing regions in Belgium. Those are severely hit by the Russian Boycot over the Ukraine. Those folks are now seeking new export markets. A similar 'New Farmer' movement is going on here though our agriculture was never as big scale as in North America.
I was also surprised about the number of high apple trees stil being grown commercially in the US. Over here you only see low stem fruit trees on the standard commercial farm. High stem orchards are a sure sign of either an amateur/hobby farmer, an organic business or a collector of fruit varieties.
In Flanders we see a lot of people having or restoring at least some capabilty for homegrown fruit, herbs, veggies in their gardens and public spaces. We don't have to grow plums here - you can get tons of them in the public green zones. In our 32000 'town' there are at least 5 schools with their own fruit trees, 3 with veggie patches, 2 with chickens one each with a vineyard or beehives.
The amateurs are also getting bigger. In many places locals with fruit surplus get a roving juiceprocessing guy in to transform their apples and other fruit into juice. A couple of hundred people had their fruit surplus done. This started as a side line business for a guy growing fruit and fruit trees. http://www.mobielefruitpers.com/
Others make cider or fruit beer or dried apple flakes, apple jam, .... Heirloom varieties are making a comeback in gardens.
Our local variety of Wal Mart (though a lot more sympathetic) even has a branch that is selling only organic stuff.
Observation. It seems to me that Europeans on the average care a lot more about food quality than the average joe in America. Perhaps that is also a big part of the permie solution. I think it is here, for sure. Get people to care about food. Get them cooking. Get them processing their own food, brew their own beer. That is a big incentive to buy/grow (your own) food locally. Over here you see the best growers providing prime quality stuff to restaurants. The biggest michelin star restaurants have their own gardens and their own local producers.
A last observation is that there are these traditional markets in many if nog most European towns where farmers or local processors sell their own product. We have currently this really interesting documentary series on our television about some interesting markets. I found this link http://sales.arte.tv/fiche/3712/IN_THE_BELLY_OF_THE_CITY
Another model, I live in Wevelgem, each year we get this farming family who sells Swiss cheese here. They load a truck, hit the markets here and sell their top quality product for top prices. That is 800 km these folks drive to bring their cheeses to market. The people here buy - even though it is really expensive - because they know it is in the market for only 2 weeks and they buy it as a treat. Other guys i know of bring their fresh picked cherry and strawberry surplus to the markets in seaside resorts.
Thanks for the link, I enjoyed watching the movie and will be sharing it with friends. I saw a related article in the NY Times about an English sheep farmer's view of rural America and the state of economics and Big Ag in the world. He's observed the same issues with small farmers running into Globalist ideology in the markets and not being able to make a living competing with food form the other side of the globe. I think lots of folks at Permies will really resonate with what he says, so please share this around -
He's written a memoir called "The Shepperd's Life: Modern Dispatches From and Ancient Landscape" that sounds like a great read. He participates in a "Commons Grazing" system that goes back 4,500 years in England, and sees huge problems with modern Agri-Business. I haven't read it yet, but I suspect that there are probably ideas in this book that could benefit any grazier looking to implement time tested ways of feeding their flocks and stewarding their land. Combined with Holistic Management, this shared grazing idea could be a old way to go forward.
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